Monday 4 January 2010

Fear the Witch, for it is you.

(This historical aspect is not deep research, is in no way authoritative and compresses a long, long time into a few paragraphs, so don't expect David Attenborough to be reading this out on TV. Although it's long enough for a programme!)


Fear has a long history, and the idea of control-by-fear has a history that's only five minutes less than that. Keeping control of a pack of hominids by being the biggest and nastiest was a simple step and an easy one to cope with. Everyone knew who the biggest and nastiest one was and everyone knew to keep on his good side. Nothing devious or sneaky required by Big'n'Nasty, although underlings might engage in sneakiness to get their own way without being battered. Big'n'Nasty ruled by fear.

When man overcame his fear of fire, he soon realised that all the other animals were still afraid of it. Fire could keep predators away and also cook food and provide warmth. It was no longer just a matter of being big and nasty. Power lay with the one who could make fire. About now, the whole business of politics got under way because Big'n'Nasty worked out that it wasn't who controlled fire that mattered, it was who controlled the one who controlled fire. It's been downhill from there ever since.

When Fire Controller came under the protection of Big'n'Nasty, he thought he was on to a good thing. Already held in high regard, he now had a huge and vicious bodyguard. What he didn't realise was that he was just Big'n'Nasty's way of staying in charge because anyone who wanted to see Fire Controller had to get past Big'n'Nasty first.

This sparked an idea in the proto-Righteous of the time. It was impossible to split the rule when there was only one ruler, but now there were two. So, for example, Big'n'Nasty could be convinced that Fire Controller was untrustworthy, or that others wanted to take Fire Controller and run away to start a new tribe. Big'n'Nasty would need advisors and spies to keep an eye on things. Now, nobody could get to Big'n'Nasty without going through his advisers first. The Righteous took control without having to challenge Big'n'Nasty, and they had him as a threat if their orders weren't obeyed.

With fire, the tribe could defend themselves more easily against predators. They no longer needed Big'n'Nasty to scare away the animals and intimidate other tribes. They had fire, which did the same thing. The threat of Big'n'Nasty diminished so the proto-Righteous needed a way to keep the population scared of something else, that only they could protect them from.

So they invented gods. Fire was a magical thing at that time, remember. Even the sun rising in the morning was cause for celebration because nobody knew where it went at night, nor whether it was coming back. These proto-Righteous invented gods of fire, sun, moon, winter, spring, food supplies, everything. The gods had to be placated on pain of Terrible Things and this placation normally came in the form of giving stuff to the Righteous. There were enough gods for the proto-Righteous to have one each, so they could all benefit. Big'n'Nasty was still nominally in charge but all he had to do was parade around looking important. The Righteous took all the decisions.

What happened next must have surprised the Righteous. The tribe loved it. A ritual to guarantee the sun will rise? Brilliant! They'd worried about that every night. Worry no more, for Sun God is here! Fire going out? No problem, Fire God will see to that with a little behind-the-scenes work from Fire Controller, now relegated to backroom boffin status. The idea that someone else would worry about the hard stuff must have been of enormous appeal to a tribe used to scratching a living from the land. The Righteous couldn't believe their luck. They had power and all they'd had to do was make up an imaginary fear or two.

Imaginary fears don't last forever, so the Righteous had to continually up the game. Some gods required human sacrifices or everyone would die. Some gods could only be placated at certain times of year and if you weren't watching out for the right time, you'd miss it and everyone would die. Keep them distracted and keep them scared. It's worth noting that all these gods required placating, not worshipping. These were not gods who wanted humans to succeed and be happy. These were nasty, vicious, parliamentary gods who demanded obedience and continuous payment on pain of punishment. There was no public access to Heaven. When you died, you came back as someone or something else or you went to the place of punishment forever. Later, a sort of sub-heaven opened for the very very obedient because the Righteous realised they had to promise something.

Then someone comes along and wrecks the whole plan by telling people there's only one God, and He's actually very nice and likes them. Righteous priests everywhere facepalmed when they heard of this. Someone just hadn't grasped the idea at all.

Ah, but he had. He'd found one all-powerful God who wasn't trying to kill everyone and who could take on all the others with one hand tied behind his back. He'd also come up with a devil who was evil incarnate and very scary because, while not as powerful as the one God, he was still very powerful indeed. The Righteous soon realised that this was the big time, so they hijacked the religion and filled it with cardinals and bishops. This was Big Admin time and the Righteous loved it. This God could be nice and nasty at the same time, he was invisible and everywhere, and he was the only one who could protect humans from the devil. Nothing visible, no direct connection to any Earthly thing so this God cannot be blamed for the weather or failed crops because it's not His responsibility. He is perfect and unquestionable. Once the Righteous had control of that idea, they soon had control of most of the known world. They still do, within the various guises of Abrahamic religion. It's not the religion that's the problem. It's those who control it.

Even so, those imaginary fears waver with time. Especially when times are good and people don't feel the need for supernatural help. The Righteous realised they needed a tangible enemy for the people to fear. Ideally, one that's close by but not too easy to see, so the people can be scared of their own shadows. The new religion had an easy answer for them.

Witches.

They look just like everyone else so they're hard to find, but they'll turn your crops to mush, make your animals ill and turn you into a toad if you annoy them. They can fly on brooms and sail in sieves. They dance naked in the woods at the end of October and if you see them, they'll suck out your eyes and use your blood as nail varnish. It was all utter bollocks, of course, but everyone fell for it. Nothing changes.

This, for the Righteous, was the turning point. They now had an 'enemy within' they could blame for everything and they could single out whoever they like and pronounce them Heretic. They realised that people will believe any old rubbish, including flying brooms and sailing sieves, if it comes from someone who is An Expert In These Things.

So heretics were burned just because they didn't believe in exactly the same God in exactly the same way. People who were a bit odd were classed as witches and killed. Later, Jews were rounded up and gassed. Intellectuals and academics were removed from tyrannical Righteous societies because they were elitist. Anyone dissenting could be classed as mentally ill and locked away.

Are we any wiser now than when those first tribes fell for the 'sun god' stories? Not a bit of it. You can't say words like 'blackboard' because it's racist. I've never heard a board complain but there we are. Christmas gets shunted aside in case it offends people who don't actually give a stuff about it. Nicotine, a substance no more deadly than caffeine, will kill a non-smoker in seconds. If your waist is outside approved limits you will die unless you pay money to the Diet God. One drop of alcohol makes you a raving drunk and this can be solved only by paying more tribute to the Booze God. Cars are evil. Light bulbs are evil. Smokers are evil. Fat people are evil. Drinkers are evil. Anyone with money is evil. Coal is evil. Oil is evil. Government, not God, will protect you from all these things if you will only pay homage and money to them. If you don't, those things will kill not only you, but the whole world. Sacrifice, or everyone will die. Thousands of years of development and we're still falling for the same tricks Big'n'Nasty's tribe fell for.

And let's not forget the current 'enemy within', The Terrorist.

The Righteous have moved on from religion to a large extent but the methods remain exactly the same. The Terrorist is merely the latest incarnation of the witch, an unseen but very real enemy who is everywhere and out to get you at any moment. The Terrorist doesn't fly on brooms, he flies on aeroplanes and he plans to blow every single one of them out of the sky with his Satanic Trouser Fire. So you must parade naked to prove you are not The Terrorist because he could be anyone. You must submit meekly to the whims of the Righteous and be searched, scanned and checked. Why would you object to this, unless you are a witch - I mean, The Terrorist?

The Terrorist will have a home somewhere so all homes must be open for inspection. He could be travelling so all cars must be tracked. He might be on your street, right now, so all streets must be covered by cameras day and night. Don't like it? Why not? What are you hiding? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. The irony is that those who trot out this phrase want you to fear. They want you to fear everything, all the time, and they want you to turn to them for protection from those fears. For a price, naturally. Freedom from fear isn't cheap nor is it permanent. There's always another fear coming up behind. If there isn't, they just invent one. It doesn't matter how absurd.

Fear the drinker who flies on a wine bottle when the moon is full. Fear the smoker who sails in a pipe, the fat people who dance naked in the moonlight, the filament bulb that hunts polar bears while you sleep. Fear the mysterious Right Wing. Submit to total control because if you don't, the Fascists will submit you to total control (People have fallen for that one in droves, time and time again. Amazing, isn't it?).

Fear rising sea levels and water shortages and droughts and floods all at once. The coldest winter in 25 years is proof of global warming and you must fear it. Fear the coal fire, the electric kettle, the motor car, for these things usher in the End Times, when the Carbon God will rule the Earth and all life shall perish. When Orwell described doublethink, he tried to keep it within believable limits. The reality is far more bizarre.

Adults, fear the children for they are feral and untouchable. Children, fear the adults for they will play spit-roast with you and then kill you. Blacks, fear the whites for they are all racist. Whites, fear the blacks for they are armed. Christian, fear the Muslim for he wants you dead. Muslim, fear the Christian for he wants you dead. Everyone fear everyone else because one of you is Satan, I mean The Terrorist, and none of you know which.

It's like a proliferation of Spanish Inquisitions, all with their own set of heretics to chase. The Righteous are out of control now. Absurdity is the order of the day and the old yarns of flying brooms and sailing sieves seem tame compared to the current crop of lunatic stories. And yet people believe them, because they come from the lips of An Expert.

The Righteous never vary their methods of control because those methods always work. No matter how many times they are used, people just don't see it. The same methods have always worked and always will unless people can be made to see how the method works. Well, this time around, it's possible to tell them. This time we have global communication and the Righteous know it and are doing their best to silence it. They are using one of their favourites - for the cheeldren - because anyone objecting to that must be a child-hating monster who wants all children brutally maimed and killed and the images posted for the whole world to see. It's even more effective at silencing dissent than the 'if you believe that, then you must be racist' ploy.

They will probably succeed. Don't think so? I didn't think they'd succeed in making every single pub a non-smoking pub, but they did. I didn't think they could ever convince the public that minimum pricing on alcohol will have any effect on alcoholics at all, but they have. Using a few simple lines, every time.

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
"An Expert Says that this measure will solve the imaginary problem we just invented."
"For the Cheeeldren."
"Why would anyone object to this? It's for your safety."
"If you don't agree then you must be a (insert appropriate heretic term here)."

Blog silencing is happening all over the world. Some come back, most don't. Countries have lists of banned websites that they don't want people to see - and I don't mean North Korea, I mean Australia. If we're going to get any kind of message out there it'll have to be quick.

It all comes down to control through fear. Fausty has an excellent post on the most recent examples.

The real fear, the ultimately brilliant part of it, is that nobody is actually scared of the 'witch' of the time. They are scared that they will be identified as that 'witch'. Once identified, you are marked forever as an outcast. The Righteous can silence any objection to their actions by a sidelong look and a quiet 'You know, you're starting to sound like a heretic'.

Nowadays, people are not afraid of racists. They are afraid of being labelled a racist. They are not afraid of paedophiles. They are afraid to go anywhere near children in case they are labelled paedophile. It's not smoking they fear, it's the idea that if they let the smoker get tobacco scent on their clothes, others might think they smoke too. It's not alcoholism they fear but the perception of others that maybe they are drinking too much.

So they will join the mob that drags the witch to the local millpond because if they don't, suspicion will turn on them next. They must be loud and clear that they oppose the current witchery or else they will be deemed in support of it. How many times have you seen a troll demand that you denounce something you've never mentioned? If you don't then you must support it and therefore... a witch!

The real fear is fear itself. Not fear of the Thing, but fear of being accused of being the Thing. People will submit to full body scanners because if they refuse, they know the mob will take it as a sign of guilt. They will cheer on minimum alcohol pricing because if they don't then they must support alcoholism. They will worship the Green God because if they don't they will be seen as polar bear killers. Standard witchhunting methodology - the mob will always support the witchfinder because the witchfinder might accuse any who don't. The mob will be keen to report the witch to prove that they are not also witches. The mob is easily controlled by the fear of being accused, not the fear of the witch.

People will submit to all those lunatic controls on flights, some of which make absolutely no sense at all, not because they are scared of terrorists but because they are scared of being suspected themselves. All these controls on smoking, drinking, diet, travelling, what you can say and so on are not there for your benefit. They are to keep you in the mob, to keep you compliant and to keep you too scared to object.

If you don't question it, then you are controlled by fear and will accept the next absurdity without question also. Try it. Ask an airport security member why you have to take your belt off in some UK airports but not others. Why you have to take your laptop out of its bag in some airports but not others. Ask at a railway station why you have to pass through police-guarded barriers even though nobody's checking anything. They don't know - because there isn't a reason, other than proving you will do as you are told.

Life was simple when Big'n'Nasty ran the tribe. He had rules, everyone knew the rules and everyone knew what would happen if Big'n'Nasty caught them breaking the rules. It was rule by fear but it was easy to understand. Everyone was afraid of Big'n'Nasty, but anyone could challenge Big'n'Nasty for his position if they thought they were hard enough.

Now, we have a much more complex set of fears. There are Bad Things we must fear but there is also the deeper fear that someone might mistake us for the Bad Thing, and the mob will turn on us. The Righteous are careful not to be the object of that fear but to appear as salvation from it. The objects of fear change as fast as the rules so it's easy to be caught out. There is no way to wrest control from the controllers because they are not easy to identify, and if anyone tries, they simply cry 'heretic' and invoke the mob. They cannot be brought down from outside.

The Righteous fail when they go too far. When people in authority start speaking out against them. The Pope stopped the Inquistion. The Church stopped the Witchfinder-General. The common people did nothing because they were under the thrall of 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' until someone they saw as an authority figure spoke out.

There are signs of this starting now. It could be messy, the Righteous have never had so many projects running at once before. What they'll take down with them, and whether they'll all go at once is anyone's guess but they will fail and I think it'll be soon.

But don't get complacent. They might lose their current power but they'll never be wiped out. Not as long as they have a mob to play with.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

Phenomenally put. Absolutely excellent.

Sir Henry Morgan said...

You should be a teacher Leg-Iron. The kids would love this stuff, and I've seen you do this sort of thing a few times now.

But the Righteous would sack you ...

At least - the kids' parents would insist you were sacked.

iskanda said...

Excellent bit of blogging, sir. The best piece I've read for some years. Thanks for keeping me thinking.

Anonymous said...

An absolute masterpiece, Leg-Iron.

And thanks for the mention - much appreciated.

Sir Henry Morgan said...

Leg-Iron

I've linked to this post, here:

http://wiganpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/01/fear-witch-no-not-talking-about.html

Thanks. Now, all we need is for your post to go viral ...

Mark Wadsworth said...

Yup. It's all about creating a climate of fear, that's an important step towards authoritarianism/Big Government/corporatism/socialism*

* Delete according to taste.

Anonymous said...

Excellent post, just the sort of thing that makes this blog such an essential daily read.

Dave H said...

I imagine one of the more irritating aspects of blogging are the tedious twats who make a minor debating point in the comments section that makes no impact whatever on the substance of the post but nonetheless manages to simply ooze with smugness as if it did. Well, smug twat du Jour: Dave H (made all the more ludicrous by the fact his source of fact-dynamite is Wiki).

Abstract from Leg-Iron’s post:
“...Nicotine, a substance no more deadly than caffeine...”

Abstract from the Journal of the Society for Sad Ignorant Gits:
“The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 40–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans...”

“The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally, is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats.[2] The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on weight and individual sensitivity and estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass.”

So, nicotine is in reality far more deadly than caffeine. I’m really aroused now.

Mark Wadsworth said...

"The Pope stopped the Inquistion. The Church stopped the Witchfinder-General."

And Gorbachev stopped Communism, albeit what came after wasn't much better.

Anonymous said...

I'm speechless. You said it all.

Unknown said...

You've surpassed yourself...utterly brilliant.

Mark Wadsworth said...

I've remembered another one, t'was the US president of the time who shut down McCarthy's Unamerican Activities nonsense and the paranoia stopped overnight.

Anonymous said...

Wow. I bow before a master.

Leg-iron said...

Dave H - There's always one ;)

Okay, let's look at risk by comparing LD50 with actual possible intake.

Caffeine. 150-200 mg/kg. One 250 ml Red Bull has 80 mg. One paracetamol tablet has 65 mg. I don't know offhand how much you'd get in a typical coffee or tea so our hypothetical caffeine taker can't have any today.

We'll have a 12 stone subject because heavy caffeine users tend to be slim. About 66 kg, so we need 13200 mg to definitely kill him.

That's 165 cans of Red Bull. In one day, if not in one sitting, or a few gallons of strong coffee or enough paracetamol to make your liver explode long before the caffeine gets you. Not a big risk. To die from caffeine overdose you'd have to be dedicated bordering on psychotic.

Let's try killing the same guy with nicotine. LD50 of 40-60 mg/kg and taking the higher figure again to be sure, we need only 3960 mg to finish him off.

Last time I looked at nicotine patches, they were 2 mg and intended to last the smoker all day. So if we coat the guy with 1980 patches, assuming he has enough skin area, he's a goner. There are, I think, stronger patches but it's still a laborious and expensive method of murder - but possible. Not, however, likely.

Of course, we could use the most concentrated Electrofag juice but he'd have to be persuaded to drink it. A lot of it.

The point is, even with LD50 figures, the actual risk to the user of caffeine or nicotine is miniscule because unless you get hold of the pure stuff, you'd have to be deranged to take in enough to kill yourself. It would take real dedication becasue neither caffeine nor nicotine accumulate in the body. Both are metabolised. Accidental OD is extremely unlikely in either case.

And that's for the user. The only way you could get a dangerous level of nicotine into a non-smoker, and blame the smoker, is if the smoker forced the non-smoker to eat his entire tobacco supply, and it would have to be a big supply.

The real risk to a non-smoker from a passing smoker is not really any different from the risk due to a cup of coffee, and the reason for that is that in both cases, the risk is too small to measure.

Keep the pedantry coming - facts are always good!

Paulo said...

This is a serious piece of work. This is so fucking hot! I don't remember ever reading something so well written.

I am awestruck.

Thank you, a masterpiece.

Now can all those who understand this blogging lark get this ALL OVER the web...PLEASE?

Paulo.

bayard said...

Where's Oliver Cromwell when we need him?

Excellent post.

Mark Wadsworth said...

Leg-Iron, as awesome as this post is, I have to point out that it is spelled "minuscule".

Tomrat said...

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http://www.chick.com/catalog/comiclist.asp#alberto

Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs said...

A great post once again LegIron.

As a previous poster said: you should write books for cheeeeeldren, in order to make them all wake up from the rotting waste of life they are immersed in.

banned said...

Masterpiece L_I.

"so they hijacked the religion and filled it with cardinals and bishops. This was Big Admin time "
That would be the First Council of Nicea - 325 AD when 318 bishops together with 1500 in staff gathered at Nicea to decide where to go next, but they needed a second Council the following year.

The interesting thing about witch-hunting is that once the population are fully compliant and there are no more witches/communists/pedos to denounce, they have to start blaming members of the faithfull in order to boost their own credentials. Then comes the really interesting stage when they have to start denouncing each other (as within the Climate Science community at present) and finally they have to denounce themselves in the hope that their children might be left out of it.

The thing about the righteous' bigging up on global warming is that, for once, we do have the evidence of our own eyes, memories and pain receptors. We can tell that it is patent nonsense and also, for once, they have created a witch group that no-one really cares about. I don't want to be labelled a terrorist, still less a pedo but I don't care if people think that I am a climate change denier/sceptic and neither do any of the many people that I speak to on the subject.
When the righteous realise this they well fall some distance but they will not be out, they will merely change the subject.
Peak Oil anyone?

MU said...

Bravo. Absolutely gripping stuff.

This blog post is a wonderful vaccination against a culture of fear. Understanding illuminates and banishes the abstract fears from the idiot box. Bloody brilliant stuff.

Ditto to all the other gushing praise.

P.Cat

Anonymous said...

Blimey!

I often read things I agree with on blogs and what have you, but this is like meeting your doppleganger.

Spot on!

Brilliant!

Spud said...

You forgot my favourite line for curbing descent: "if just one human life is saved, it'll all be worthwhile".

It's not all a power/wealth-creating conspiracy though. A lot of people out there enjoy spreading guilt and telling other people what do/think just for the hell of it.

paul said...

Actually if you rub a certain substance onto certain common wooden tools of the era and apply it to certain parts of female anatomy, then convert description of said act into a U rated description, you get "flying on broomsticks".
Not a made up fear, mostly jealousy.

Anonymous said...

I liked it so much, that I read the whole thing out on my YouTube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qorxg4ozVA

(TheModernMystic)

Anonymous said...

Fair play to you. Hit the nail on the head. To step out of the mob google freeman on the land. peace

Curmudgeon said...

Brilliant stuff, spears our current fearful malaise so accurately.

This will go down amongst the classic blog posts.

I have linked to it here

WV: stative

Paul Garrard said...

So presumably you are an anarchist then?
If so, do you have the courage to admit it?

Leg-iron said...

Paul, the answers to your questions are 'no' and 'yes' in that order.

Anonymous said...

Magnificent! Should be made into "The Ladybird Book of Mind-control" and a copy handed to every child on attaining the age of seven.

Paul Garrard said...

Not an anarchist. That’s a great shame as, despite the fact that I agree with much of what you have written, it devalues many of your arguments. Presumably then you are in favour of government and the rule of law? But presumably only laws you personally like?

With regards to your witch analogy, have you considered what the outcry was probably like at the time it was stopped? Stake and rope makers were no doubt complaining about threats to their livelihood. Landowners, I suspect, reckoned it would ruin the whole ecological balance. A small but vocal middle class were probably complaining it was a tradition that must be upheld, that it was an attack on their personal liberty and their god-given right to burn witches, and Lords, I’m sure, declared that witches actually enjoyed being burnt at the stake. Fear indeed, but fear by whom?

Curmudgeon said...

Paul,

You seem to present this as a stark choice between anarchy and totalitarianism, whereas in fact I suspect the vast majority of people do favour government and the rule of law, but believe the functions and scope of government need to be limited to a greater or lesser degree.

Paul Garrard said...

No not suggesting that at all as nothing is ever that black and white. I just find much of the well written piece above a bit too selective argument wise.

The language is a bit too soft when it comes to the monotheists as well – these bastards are still playing the fear game today – a society that is not totally secular will always have fear.

Leg-iron said...

Paul - I'm a smoker and a drinker, and run a small business. I'd happily burn Westminster to the ground with all of them inside it.

I'm not an anarchist because I'm not in favour of zero government. Someone has to run the country, deal with other countries, ensure there are roads and police and fire brigades and so on.

I don't think government has any business dictating what I eat or drink or smoke. They have no business tracking where I go, what Emails I send, who I phone, any of it. They have no need of my DNA or fingerprints.

The country is not run by 646 politicians. It's run by the cabinet and half of those are really functionless. What are the rest of those MPs there for? Nobody in the cabinet listens to them. We don't need 646, we need about five of them. None of the ones we have now should be among those five.

On the monotheists, yes, the religions still attempt to rule by fear but it doesn't work unless you believe it. It doesn't work on me, for example.

Absence of religion is no problem for these people. Soviet Russia wasn't ruled by religion, and neither was Cambodia.

Neither are we.

Religion is a tool these people can use to rule by fear. So is socialism. Or fascism.

So I have no problem with religion, although I'd have a problem with any individual who wanted to force their beliefs on me. People can believe whatever they want as long as they respect the right of others not to believe it.

neil craig said...

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."Henry Louis Mencken....perhpas the most profound thing he said & he said many

Anonymous said...

well written, regards Matterik

Anonymous said...

Excellent post. Says it all & so simply that anyone could understand.
What's that FDR quote 'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself'.
Ignore the Righteous - laugh in their face - the one thing they cannot deal with is ridicule - and that will bring about their ruination.

Henry North London 2.0 said...

Have come late to this for the reason that I still have the old blog as a follow.

Excellent piece

Perhaps you could approach Lulu.com and have it published.

The childrens book of mind control made easy...

Etc

tuffy777 said...

excellent blog!

Ace said...

Excellent article.

I linked it to the Sheffield Forum.
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6073304#post6073304

More people need to read this stuff.
It's quality!

V4V said...

This has cetainly opened up a new perspective for me and made me think long and hard about certain issues.

I am a witch hunter but I am also a witch... Uhmm, time for a bit more thinking. Thanks

Vendetta

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