tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post7804197868992655639..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: A rant and an appeal.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-69200378954290837202010-07-23T17:21:51.586+01:002010-07-23T17:21:51.586+01:00Lost his job?
For smoking? In a van?
And it was...Lost his job?<br /><br />For smoking? In a van?<br /><br />And it was an ecig, anyway?<br /><br />Excuse my language but fuck me. We need to start making Molotov cocktails. This is getting serious - despite their hiding behind Godwin's Law, surely the Gulags are only 5 years away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-19669654141666662762010-07-23T10:43:29.985+01:002010-07-23T10:43:29.985+01:00LI - I have asked F2C. They were going to get back...LI - I have asked F2C. They were going to get back to me about that. I know they are currently trying to help a smoker who got prosecuted for "smoking" in his work van. He said it was an ecig - legal - the court believed the jobsworth - again, it would appear, without evidence. Poor bloke has since lost his job too.<br /><br /> That's why some sort of fund is needed. Yes, Anna and OH are brilliant but what is it about us smokers that we constantly turn our friends away or upset them when they have done grand things for us.<br /><br /> I'll get back to F2C and let you know what they say -unless TBY sees this. :)Pat Nurse MAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01591807335364002658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-11922462702686185742010-07-23T02:35:51.054+01:002010-07-23T02:35:51.054+01:00Anonymous - thanks for the offer. I will not be vi...Anonymous - thanks for the offer. I will not be visiting. Why would I visit someone who despises me without even meeting me?<br /><br />You do know you can now get cancer electronically, just as you can get high electronically over the internet, don't you?<br /><br />Merely conversing with a smoker on the internet will make your teeth drop out, your lungs shrivel and your eyes explode. These things don't happen to smokers, only to those who are in conversation with smokers.<br /><br />See, if smoke becomes a hundred times more deadly when exhaled, and a thousand times more deadly when it isn't smoke at all, only Electrofag steam, and a million times more deadly when the smoker isn't even smoking, then logically, the homeopathic death machine means that by commenting here, you are experiencing a billion times more damage from my smoking than I am.<br /><br />This is just as likely as harm from second hand smoke, and has exactly the same amount of legitimate research behind it.<br /><br />Have a nice day. Sorry I've shortened your life by responding.<br /><br />Only joking. I'm not sorry at all.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-57125162511479942282010-07-23T01:46:18.628+01:002010-07-23T01:46:18.628+01:00If I have learned anything in this life it is the ...If I have learned anything in this life it is the right to discover you are an asshole.<br /><br />Those liberals who deny this path to enlightenment are really your jailors.<br /><br />Please feel free to smoke on my balcony as I'm just that not that dumb to have tar frescos on my lungs and walls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-58758591362155588722010-07-22T22:19:49.827+01:002010-07-22T22:19:49.827+01:00Pat - Would it be worth getting Freedom2Choose inv...Pat - Would it be worth getting Freedom2Choose involved? Anna Raccoon and Old Holborn have experience of fund collecting but after the trouble they went through last time, they've said they won't do it again.<br /><br />Perhaps F2C could take on this one?Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-43403934261001232042010-07-22T22:15:07.381+01:002010-07-22T22:15:07.381+01:00Smoking - someone sent a prototype. I'll put i...Smoking - someone sent a prototype. I'll put it up.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-12160312891346094882010-07-22T22:14:30.409+01:002010-07-22T22:14:30.409+01:00Jimmy - there are free hosting sites. You won'...Jimmy - there are free hosting sites. You won't get the cool URL but you'd still have a site. If you do that, let me know so I can change the link.<br /><br />Banned - no, I don't drop butts around the place but as Pat says, they are entirely biodegradable and so the penalty is out of proportion to the offence. <br /><br />The worst of it is, as you say, that no proof of any kind is required for these people to win their case. Whether the defendant was there or not, a conviction on the word of someone who admits they were out to catch this smoker is plain wrong.<br /><br />Whether she dropped the butts or not, there was no evidence presented other than one council officer's word. Not even a second witness.<br /><br />I would be just as enraged if someone were convicted of any offence on that basis. At the moment it just targets smokers but... mission creep?<br /><br />It's a dangerous precedent and it's not only about smoking this time.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-72966574613235012872010-07-22T19:14:33.318+01:002010-07-22T19:14:33.318+01:00I have given reasons why she didn't turn up an...I have given reasons why she didn't turn up and yes, there were two occasions but we are not talking about fly tipping. Cig litter wasn't even included in litter laws until 1990 when the pressure began to get turned up on us.<br /><br /> Cig litter is minute and it's plant matter. It's like pulling a leaf from a tree and then dropping it. Worth a fine and prosecution? I don't think so. <br /><br /> Yes, we should all carry pocket ashtrays so the Stasis don't get us and I know this woman has learned her lesson about that. She wasn't aware they existed - why? Because the Stasis are happy to let innocent/ignorant smokers fall foul of their trivial laws. <br /><br /> Why inform them of these things when it's easier to wait and then fine them. That also helps towards the "denormalisation" of them as well.<br /><br /> I would set up a fund but don't know how to so any advice on that for a computer nearly illiterate, is welcome.<br /><br /> I thought I'd wait to see declarations of interest first and with me, LI and SH, we got a grand £30 promised so far. Maybe it would go up if there was a paypal link. Maybe we should just set it up as a fund for any smoker who falls foul of the law. Collecting in this way, at least, is a form of protest.<br /><br /> But we must stick together. Jimmy Freedom is so right. I can't remember if I joined your site. I thought I had.<br /><br /> After Cleggy let us down over his scam freedom shite, I asked for 50 people to stand with me in an act of protest/civil disobedience. I got offers from about 8 people. <br /><br /> If we can't do anything else, then the very least we should do is support The Nothing2Declare blog at Smoking Hot's place and stop buying UK baccy and fags.Pat Nurse MAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01591807335364002658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-75091077341611463202010-07-22T15:03:40.729+01:002010-07-22T15:03:40.729+01:00Take a look at this. The comment are a real surpri...Take a look at this. The comment are a real surprise to me. You are not alone. So why does the great british public allow itself to be so trampled on?<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1296651/Billie-Piper-blows-smoke-toddlers-face-enjoys-roll-up.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-8388017590776033122010-07-22T13:04:17.618+01:002010-07-22T13:04:17.618+01:00Yes Leggy l agree ... a flag. How about a skull an...Yes Leggy l agree ... a flag. How about a skull and crossed cigarettes instead of bones or swords?<br /><br />Stewart? :)Smoking Hothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534745989363293923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-88158871539360861222010-07-22T03:52:06.707+01:002010-07-22T03:52:06.707+01:00I'd happily support another smoking martyr L-I...I'd happily support another smoking martyr L-I but the woman in Patnurses blog was 'observed' twice by one plastic plod chucking her fag ends out of her car which, if true, <b>is</b> anti-social (you don't do it and neither do I) and then she didn't bother to turn up in Court (or send reasons as to why not). Might I suggest finding a worthier example?<br /><br />The case in point does though flag up another issue; the unsupported word of Civic Enforcement Officer/CPSO is deemed more worthy than that of a 'civilian' who must prove that what is claimed is not true. This is not the case with the sworn testimony of a proper Police Constable who has to prove the truth of what he/she says.bannedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406037760273820029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-26884251236526628792010-07-22T02:15:25.303+01:002010-07-22T02:15:25.303+01:00Legiron :
Thanks for the plug. I'm not willin...Legiron :<br /><br />Thanks for the plug. I'm not willing to go to pubs and spend 3 quid a pint for the privilege of standing outside. Likewise, I'm not prepared to pay a penny to maintain a website which until now was free, when hardly anyone joined, and no one organised any events. I'm going to make a note of the email addresses of those who did join, and as soon as I can find an alternative site which is free, I'll let them know and I'll start trying to get members again. What a disappointment. Anyone who tries to get around this stupid ban in any way fails in one way or another. I wish someone somewhere would try to do what I did, somehow. Or better still, someone should do what I did, but instead of organising "pub nights" at each others' houses, just orgainse some civil disobedience, which is what is now needed. Maybe it will wake everyone up. I'd do it myself but I think I'd be talking to myself as usual. I'm totally disillusioned with f2c aswell, all they do is moan. You've got an excuse, Legiron, this is your blog, but f2c is supposed to actively oppose the ban. All they do is talk about it. Bollocks to this ban.Jimmy Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-53505525297264787052010-07-22T02:11:24.913+01:002010-07-22T02:11:24.913+01:00Absolutely spot on you erudite and talented git.
...Absolutely spot on you erudite and talented git. <br /><br />Since July 2007 my pub going has dropped I would say 90%. those couple of pints to unwind reading the Evening Standard have gone for a start <i>( although so has the London Evening Standard, can't get it round my way anymnore since it went 'free')</i> <br /><br /><a href="http://frank-davis.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">Frank Davis</a> also writes better than I could about becoming an outcast in a 1st world country which is supposed to be so inclusive we tolerate those that call for our destruction by any means and incite violence against the state.Pavlov's Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15162563403722211352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-15382670156537266342010-07-22T01:41:23.109+01:002010-07-22T01:41:23.109+01:00Maybe we should design a smoking version of the Jo...Maybe we should design a smoking version of the Jolly Roger. <br /><br />Every cause needs a flag. Stewart - are you out there? Any ideas?Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-66293566962911204712010-07-22T01:19:07.904+01:002010-07-22T01:19:07.904+01:00Nice Smoky-Drinky here by the sea on the East Coas...Nice Smoky-Drinky here by the sea on the East Coast. Not hard to find ... we have a 'Jolly Roger' flying in the front garden.<br /><br />Call in sometime. :)Smoking Hothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534745989363293923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-21925619656058585292010-07-22T01:12:16.288+01:002010-07-22T01:12:16.288+01:00Only the criminal are allowed to smoke indoors the...Only the criminal are allowed to smoke indoors these days ;)Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-60981833886371975572010-07-22T00:55:25.426+01:002010-07-22T00:55:25.426+01:00Don't some politicians smoke? Of course they ...Don't some politicians smoke? Of course they do but then they're 'protected' with the walls of Westminster. Barstewards all.subrosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151702590329788260noreply@blogger.com