tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post6051169252794416612..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: Nine hundredth hand smoke.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-40990056273168071122010-02-11T05:00:52.773+00:002010-02-11T05:00:52.773+00:00Anon - you don't want that stuff in your pocke...Anon - you don't want that stuff in your pocket. It's not pleasant, especially if it leaks.<br /><br />Uncle Marvo - good link. If nicotine is as deadly as ASH say, then surely those patches and gum constitute deliberate poisoning, if not attempted murder?Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-37594310033330435002010-02-10T10:16:28.775+00:002010-02-10T10:16:28.775+00:00I meant, obviously, cleverer. They would probably ...I meant, obviously, cleverer. They would probably not have said clever when they meant cleverer, because the are clevererer.Uncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-86329735012007835412010-02-10T10:14:33.496+00:002010-02-10T10:14:33.496+00:00Dear Mr Iron
I have some more interesting news. T...Dear Mr Iron<br /><br />I have some more interesting news. There will be clever people than I who may wish to ratify my research.<br /><br />I hope you don't mind me posting this link:<br /><br />http://tiomarvo.blogspot.com/2010/02/amateur-chemists-guide-to-footshots.htmlUncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-27625618349565261752010-02-10T01:17:09.667+00:002010-02-10T01:17:09.667+00:00Thanks, Leggy. God, I wish you'd been my scien...Thanks, Leggy. God, I wish you'd been my science teacher at school - I might have got some impressive-sounding science-type exams then. OK, then, one good turn deserves another. I’ll be the Naughty Student who hasn’t done her homework, and you can be Teacher, this time ……<br /><br />Nitrous Acid, eh? Does it come in aerosol form which we can squish at random in anti-smokers' faces every time they pass us by with a fake cough, by any chance?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-27630271401970016122010-02-10T00:12:38.187+00:002010-02-10T00:12:38.187+00:00Don't worry about the antis. They don't un...Don't worry about the antis. They don't understand it either. <br /><br />It's formed by inefficient combustion, such as in a gas appliance with a blocked vent or that not-totally-efficient thing called an engine. It's not in tobacco smoke because burning a small amount of leaves in a lot of air means there's efficient combustion.<br /><br />Nitrous acid is very reactive, which means it's always looking for something to combine with. It can only do that once. Then it's part of a different compound which might or might not be reactive but probably isn't.<br /><br />Smoke is made of tiny particles. Electrofag 'smoke' isn't - it's just steam - but real smoke will settle on surfaces because it's actually a lot of tiny particles floating around. So when the gaseous form of nitrous acid hits a smoke particle, it's not only done its reacting, it's now stuck to a lump of stuff that's going to settle somewhere. A lump that has already done the 'reacting' part and can't do it again. <br /><br />You can't breathe in settled particles unless you stir them up. Any house that makes routine use of a vacuum cleaner has put those particles in the bin.<br /><br />If the nitrous acid doesn't find something to react with, it will float around until it does, and no vacuum cleaner will suck it out of the air. Lungs will. It will then react with DNA and once in a while, that reaction will start a cancer.<br /><br />In effect, the report says that smoking (or even burning a candle) will reduce exposure to a far more dangerous substance - if it's present, which it really shouldn't be. <br /><br />Are they getting desperate? More and more so. Frank Davis (link in sidebar) has often said that the whole thing will collapse when they push too far. I think he's right.<br /><br />But then, pubs now face a drink ban and they've already started on soft drinks too. <br /><br />Labour are really scared of pubs. They've even appointed a minister to make them die faster.<br /><br />It won't work. Underground smoky drinky places are on the rise.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-13683528662434067642010-02-09T23:03:16.206+00:002010-02-09T23:03:16.206+00:00I still maintain that these increasingly tenuous a...I still maintain that these increasingly tenuous and fantastical claims are evidence of real desperation in the anti-smoking camp. Oh sure, this story is on the BBC website, but it hasn’t hit the headlines or the TV or radio news in the way that every new smoking-related health scare used to in pre-ban days. I hadn't even heard about it myself until I logged on here and, like many smokers in these post-ban times, I've developed a sort of sixth-sense around anti-smoking stories and can usually spot/hear/notice them even when they're buried away somewhere in a paper or at the end of the news. God, even the "halve the number of smokers by 2020" story – which was only one man’s viewpoint and not even a result of a “scientific” study - got more airtime than this. <br /><br />I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – ASH and their little cohorts have done their time for their paymasters in pushing the ban through (my personal theory is that it was all about pubs in the first place, but I won’t go into that now) and they have now become nothing more than an expensive group of hangers-on which the Government are suddenly keen to offload. Oh no - drink’s the thing now, ASH, and Alcohol Concern looks all set to become the Government’s new “best friend.” Aw, shame! Couldn’t have happened to a nicer set of people ……<br /><br />PS: The Nitrous Acid story looks interesting, but most of these linked articles don’t make a word of sense to me as a non-scientist. What is it, where does it come from, and how do you know that combining it with tobacco smoke makes it less harmful, Leggy? Sounds like a good one to bring into conversation with the local anti brigade, but only if I can make sense of it. Simple words of one syllable, pleeeeease!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-42103267030908788482010-02-09T20:19:21.631+00:002010-02-09T20:19:21.631+00:00Mrs R, I think you're talking about this artic...Mrs R, I think you're talking about <a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2010/01/purely-fictional-conversation.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> from li'l ole me.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-79535966325448431022010-02-09T19:26:00.939+00:002010-02-09T19:26:00.939+00:00Microdave - Fortunately I heard about Apple's ...Microdave - Fortunately I heard about Apple's hysterical fears before I owned any Apple products.<br /><br />Now, I never will.<br /><br /><br />Mrs R - the study was in Aberdeen. I can't remember who spotted it first. They weren't asking for any non-smokers and weren't taking account of proximity to busy roads or anything else. There were no controls. Just pure smoker-bashing.<br /><br />Not research. Just some number-generation designed to give a predetermined result. As usual.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-58292419701511382062010-02-09T18:59:52.021+00:002010-02-09T18:59:52.021+00:00I can't remember where I saw it, but late last...I can't remember where I saw it, but late last year some blogs carried details of some proposed study - inside people's homes - where they had to have a gas cooker, not an electric one, and it was to do with smoking too. Spot the connection?Mrs Rigbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06389986110372627649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-38408647421344751502010-02-09T17:47:39.189+00:002010-02-09T17:47:39.189+00:00Mr Leg Iron, I hope you don't use an Apple com...Mr Leg Iron, I hope you don't use an Apple computer. They won't accept it back for repair if it smells of tobacco.<br /><br />One good reason for sticking to M/S....<br /><br />You said "Do you have kids?" - No thank God, or I would be in the coronary care unit by now:<br />http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2010/02/thanks-for-your-kindness-pervert.htmlmicrodavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-33017700789574564342010-02-09T17:38:07.057+00:002010-02-09T17:38:07.057+00:00Rats, you just beat me to it...
It's worth re...Rats, you just beat me to it...<br /><br />It's worth reading beyond the BBC piece though - there are some gems buried in the original report.<br /><br />http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/smoking-ban-revenge-of-the-faglits/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-21575068913981907962010-02-09T16:47:49.017+00:002010-02-09T16:47:49.017+00:00How long until the bill proposing that all smokers...How long until the bill proposing that all smokers must wear a bell and dwell beyond the city limits in specially isolated "smokar houses"?Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-39969422463945672452010-02-09T15:29:40.770+00:002010-02-09T15:29:40.770+00:00http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-58365028577161551712010-02-09T15:28:22.211+00:002010-02-09T15:28:22.211+00:00They have a thousand laws that say you have to let...They have a thousand laws that say you have to let them in.<br /><br />As far as I can tell, they don't have one that says you have to let them out.<br /><br />Start collecting.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-73645151381475803612010-02-09T15:06:31.985+00:002010-02-09T15:06:31.985+00:00The first Council or govt jobsworth trying to get ...The first Council or govt jobsworth trying to get through my front door to snoop will live to regret it - on second thoughts, strike out 'live' - they may not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-73932432200474333692010-02-09T15:03:44.669+00:002010-02-09T15:03:44.669+00:00All this talk about having to destroy and disgard ...All this talk about having to destroy and disgard any and all objects which a smoker may have come into contact with or was manufactured prior to the smoking ban law reminds me of those stories out of the Bible about Jesus and the Lepers. Seems one such Jesus Christ, son of God, was more than happy and thrilled to walk up, touch and heal the lepers - where-as the Pharisees and their kind liked to sit back spreading lies, rumors, gossip and basically what we today would call fake-science, if they would have had it then to spread, in order to force everyone into conformity with ways of living that quite frankly, the Lord God found the pathway to hell and nothing "good" about it, other than those who controlled the propaganda and thus had the "say so".<br /><br />That's what it boils down to, on the basics. There's those who "say" and those who "believe" - only those who "say" are historically corrupted and of non-truth, of lies, of satan if one likes - where-as those who know the reality and believe the reality, the truth which is The Truth - then those are the ones on whose side God actually operates in this universe.<br /><br />And anything else is just a distraction - such as we must now discard all manufactured goods prior to the smoking ban. Load of nonsense, BBC promoting satan essentially, then everyone wonder why the country's going down the tubes and EU is on ascent, an armagaddeon so to speak. Once a lie's crept in, as 'truth', then the pathway to hell's been paved - that's where the smoking ban is taking us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-61181617659915630682010-02-09T15:01:48.185+00:002010-02-09T15:01:48.185+00:00Thanks for the hat tip, Mr Iron. I will reciprocat...Thanks for the hat tip, Mr Iron. I will reciprocate.<br /><br />Come on, kapnophobes everywhere! Unite!Uncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-76807353777689956602010-02-09T14:31:29.116+00:002010-02-09T14:31:29.116+00:00Excellent. Sent the URL to ASH!Excellent. Sent the URL to ASH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-73285966808114425932010-02-09T14:12:22.432+00:002010-02-09T14:12:22.432+00:00When I read this "story" on the BBC webs...When I read this "story" on the BBC website, I laughed so much that I thought I was going to have a coronary. If they really want to safeguard the health of the nation, they should stop spouting such utter shite as this. <br /><br />I'm going for a few pints and a few ciggies...Custardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04498951524046773205noreply@blogger.com