tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post4224332119869943189..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: Experiment, day zero.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-73591711473426229982011-01-09T20:44:41.329+00:002011-01-09T20:44:41.329+00:00All plants have to protect themselves, and often t...All plants have to protect themselves, and often the flavour of the plant's own natural pesticide is the very bit we like.<br /><br />Capsaicin is the material that makes chili peppers hot. <br /><br />"It can be used on ornamentals outdoors and indoors for control of aphids, spider mites, thrips, whitefly, lace bugs, leafhoppers, and other pests."<br />http://www.clemson.edu/extension/hgic/pests/pesticide/hgic2770.html<br /><br />It only becomes a problem when someone wants to do a bit of scaremongering and gives you only the bit of the information they want you to know.<br /><br />Capsaicin.LD50.Lethal dose,50 percent kill.Oral.Rodent-mice.190 mg/kg.<br />http://www.mdidea.com/products/new/new00510.html <br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-19967740564241675632011-01-09T18:54:11.702+00:002011-01-09T18:54:11.702+00:00Rose
Thanks for the information on why nicotine t...Rose<br /><br />Thanks for the information on why nicotine tastes bitter. This is also noticeable in high nicotine e-liquid. I find anything above the 16mg strength level tastes unpleasant.<br /><br />Expat Brit living in CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-43820581003135314042011-01-09T18:40:06.942+00:002011-01-09T18:40:06.942+00:00"Another thing here is that the nicotine in l..."Another thing here is that the nicotine in lozenges and gum seems to have a nasty "bitter" taste which is quite unpleasant."<br /><br /><br />That's because nicotine is an alkaloid that the plant makes to stop animals wanting to eat it, because its so bitter.<br /><br />The symptoms of raw nicotine are -<br /><br />"nausea, vomiting, weakness, and dizziness and sometimes fluctuations in blood pressure or heart rate"<br /><br />Which is the reason why for thousands of years people have had the good sense to set fire to it or processed it in some other way.<br /><br />Only anti-tobacco and the drugs companies insist that the raw nicotine remains unchanged.<br /><br />Nicotinic acid<br />Organic Syntheses, Coll. Vol. 1, p.385 (1941); Vol. 4, p.49 (1925).<br />http://www.orgsyn.org/orgsyn/prep.asp?prep=cv1p0385<br /><br />How to make niacin/nicotinic acid from nicotine without setting fire to it.<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-11839919665312709312011-01-09T16:42:49.792+00:002011-01-09T16:42:49.792+00:00I agree with the anonymous poster who made the fol...I agree with the anonymous poster who made the following comment :-<br /><br />"Isn’t addiction, at its heart, a very personal and individual thing?"<br /><br />I'm not certain, but in my own case, I seem to enjoy the pleasurable sensation in the throat/lung when I draw/inhale the tobacco smoke from my preferred cigarette brand. This seems to be the principal reason why I enjoy smoking. I'm not convinced that nicotine is responsible for this although I would not be prepared to rule it out either.<br /><br />Interestingly enough, I do not like the flavour of American cigarettes (such as Marlboro) and I suspect that I would stop smoking if all cigarettes tasted like this. I do however realise that other individuals prefer the taste of Marlboro and that this taste preference varies greatly between individuals.<br /><br />I do not find nicotine gum or lozenges helpful in relieving the frustration of not being able to smoke on something like a lengthy 7 or 8 hour airline flight. I usually want to assasinate the nearest "ASH" employee during times such as these. Another thing here is that the nicotine in lozenges and gum seems to have a nasty "bitter" taste which is quite unpleasant.<br /><br />For the last 4-5 months, I have been using the "e-go" electronic cigarette and have settled on two liquid flavours (Banana and Mango) in the 16mg nicotine strength. Throughout most of this time I have smoked regular cigarettes and only occasionally used the e-cigarette. Recently this has changed, because I am now able to receive a pleasurable throat/lung sensation from the e-go. I suspect there are a few reasons for this such as buying a better e-cigarette model (e-go), finding more acceptable e-liquid flavours and becoming more adept at using the e-cigarette device. The pleasure I currently get from vaping is now much closer to that of smoking a real cigarette. I did not expect this and it has resulted in my real cigarette consumption dropping down from 20 to 10 per day.<br /><br />I find the experiment of Leggy to be very interesting and look forward to hearing details of his results. Like the previous anonymous poster, I do however remain convinced that individual reasons for smoking tobacco vary enormously and cannot be explained away entirely by nicotine addiction. I may order some "nicotine free" e-liquid myself if I can get the right flavours and will post back here with details of my experience.<br /><br />Expat Brit living in Canada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-14273279535914946172011-01-09T13:35:02.775+00:002011-01-09T13:35:02.775+00:00Some years ago, I did experience 3 days of somethi...Some years ago, I did experience 3 days of something that might be considered withdrawal when I swapped from pre-mades to plain tobacco, which puzzled me.<br /><br />I still haven't worked that one out.<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-49654675070212862072011-01-09T13:11:33.978+00:002011-01-09T13:11:33.978+00:00I stopped for two years then lit a fag for a mate ...I stopped for two years then lit a fag for a mate with sewage on his gloves and off I went again.<br /><br />Thirty five years ago I stopped again. I was on 60 a day--Senior Service--if I recall correctly plain not tipped, except when in company. Then I smoked Capstan Full Strength because people didn't cadge those off me.<br />I stopped because I kept catching my 4 year old mimicking my smoking actions using crayons and a Lego brick as a lighter.<br /><br />After ten years I suddenly realized I had stopped absent-mindedly reaching for my fags and lighter when concentrating on something. Or reaching for them as soon as my eyes opened in the morning.<br /><br />I have no idea if it is addictive but it sure as hell is very very very very habit forming and I found relaxing as well.<br /><br />I wonder what I've done with the money I saved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-42648743591832542562011-01-09T13:10:43.072+00:002011-01-09T13:10:43.072+00:00Isn’t addiction, at its heart, a very personal and...Isn’t addiction, at its heart, a very personal and individual thing? In the same way that not everybody who enjoys a drink is an alcoholic, neither is everyone who enjoys a smoke a nicotine/smoking addict. Isn’t it also a possibility that there are some people who are addicted to nicotine, some who are addicted to the act of smoking, some who are addicted to both, and some who are addicted to neither? From my own experience, and those of people I know, I’m convinced that this is the case. <br /><br />Which rather makes a mockery of the anti-smoking movement’s insistence that the <i>only</i> reason <i>any</i> people smoke, <i>ever</i>, is because they are addicted to nicotine. It also probably explains why their much-beloved NRT has such a woeful success rate – because it starts from the premise of a lie which simply doesn’t address the reasons why large numbers of people smoke in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-91754072252680421482011-01-09T12:03:29.428+00:002011-01-09T12:03:29.428+00:00I've been told that nicotine is chemically ver...I've been told that nicotine is chemically very similar to nor-adrenaline, which is produced by the adrenal gland. In regular smokers the adrenal gland stops producing nor-adrenaline as the body is getting it from another source. When you stop smoking it takes the adrenal gland about a week or two to start producing nor-adrenaline again, hence the cravings and all that. So to work I'd suggest the elcetrofag cartridges must still be delivering some sort of chemical similar to nor-adrenaline so you don't get the cravings for fags. Do they say what are in the cartridges?<br /><br />Cheers,<br />FattyCaptain Fattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-14564585901351985222011-01-09T00:58:18.401+00:002011-01-09T00:58:18.401+00:00Jones said..
" Take it from someone who real...Jones said..<br /><br />" Take it from someone who really knows these thing. You need to use 'Nicobate Clear 24hr 21mg patches'."<br /><br />Better with the opaque patches. Put one over each eye and then you can't find your ciggies.<br /><br />Good luck with the experiment LI. My mum has stopped smoking hundreds of times so it can't be that hard ;)smithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-87016250493420664502011-01-09T00:36:55.100+00:002011-01-09T00:36:55.100+00:00I stopped smoking after 20+ years on cigars simply...I stopped smoking after 20+ years on cigars simply by not buying another pack (the decision was financial, not peer pressure or health Nazi-ism by the way). Even then, if there was a smokeable form of tobacco in the house, I'd have a puff, if there wasn't then I wouldn't. No shakes, sweats or raving loonie-ism, maybe a mild irritation at not having a fag, but I didn't knife the missus.<br /><br />My take, based on personal experience, is that if you're an addictive personality, you'll get hooked on something - tobacco, alcohol, ketamine, internet porn, whatever. If you're not in that bracket you can take it or leave it (for any given value of 'it') and not worry. So says the man making steady progress down a bottle of OVD, but when it's gone, it's gone and I'll be sober until the next kind soul gives me a bottle in return for getting rid of their PC problems ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-39454321610678595992011-01-09T00:33:19.898+00:002011-01-09T00:33:19.898+00:00Take it from someone who really knows these thing....Take it from someone who really knows these thing. You need to use 'Nicobate Clear 24hr 21mg patches'.<br /><br />They extinguish the desire to smoke...Honest..<br /><br />You may need two to start with however.<br /><br />Make sure it's the 'clear'.jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-18291071457470230932011-01-09T00:08:06.221+00:002011-01-09T00:08:06.221+00:00Your views on addictive/non addictive are very int...Your views on addictive/non addictive are very intesting. I think there is a physical craving for/addiction to cigarettes in some people at least. When I'd not smoked for a while, to smoke a single cigarette always made me crave another an hour or so later. Others could smoke occasionally and not get the same need for another.David Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-24204612516164119102011-01-08T22:28:34.415+00:002011-01-08T22:28:34.415+00:00You will have to fool your own mind, LI. You must ...You will have to fool your own mind, LI. You must convince yourself that you really, really want that ecig, and that you are really, really addicted to it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-53648515595791883702011-01-08T22:14:33.199+00:002011-01-08T22:14:33.199+00:00I'm afraid that 4 years of researching the pla...I'm afraid that 4 years of researching the plant chemistry has quite ruined it for me.<br /><br />If I can't smoke for several hours, it just doesn't bother me like it used to.<br /><br />After 3 days of smoking herbals, I do feel just a little less sharp though.<br /><br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-69650352070840958612011-01-08T22:03:28.773+00:002011-01-08T22:03:28.773+00:00l'm betting that you'll find the nicotine ...l'm betting that you'll find the nicotine ones more satisfying.richardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-86385488129870126732011-01-08T21:36:55.659+00:002011-01-08T21:36:55.659+00:00You've never tried the potato peel in with the...You've never tried the potato peel in with the dried baccy? Works a treat.<br /><br />I am also from the camp of addiction. The act of smoking is deeply pleasurable, but more than four hours without some form of nicotine makes me edgy, mentally less sharp and even more prone to grumpiness than normal. But your experiment is interesting!PT Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-74977375581696484702011-01-08T20:03:36.541+00:002011-01-08T20:03:36.541+00:00I think you're wrong. When I'm not smoking...I think you're wrong. When I'm not smoking for any length of time, I get very very irritated indeed. Taking nicotine orally fixes this.<br /><br />Why would taking nicotine orally fix me if it's the act of smoking I am addicted to?<br /><br />Mints don't work either.<br /><br />Good luck though, I do think that there is a degree of mental addiction, but it varies from person to person. I know I'm hooked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com