tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post8548972970983084365..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: Guest post by Hangemall.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-41684090416881027942010-03-12T20:16:23.561+00:002010-03-12T20:16:23.561+00:00L-I Read anything writen by Philip Zimbardo? His T...L-I Read anything writen by Philip Zimbardo? His The Lucifer Effect on the Stanford prison study is quite interesting reading.Cynaraehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15622055597158147596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-25016860063044805562010-03-12T19:36:04.452+00:002010-03-12T19:36:04.452+00:00Fausty,
I was going to explain my reasoning for “...Fausty,<br /><br />I was going to explain my reasoning for “the explaining why ….” bit, but I see that Hangemall has done it already, better than I could. So thank you, Hangemall.<br /><br />Re your second point, yes, I guess I <i>was</i> excluding myself because I don’t think I’m a psychopath (as described in the article I read) with no conscience – guilt pangs me when I think I might have hurt someone’s feelings, there are certain things which I wouldn’t do or haven’t done to achieve something which might be personally beneficial to me because I think it would involve a “wrong” towards others, and I get genuinely angry and upset at unfair situations which affect other people but have absolutely no effect on me whatsoever – and from that I’m assuming that I do have a conscience and thus can’t be a psychopath. But, and as Leg-Iron points out above, there may well be degrees of psychopathology to a greater or lesser extent in many, if not all, people, so I take your point. As I said, I’m not an absolute convert to this “theory.” So who knows? Maybe there’s a bit of the lurking psycho in me, too. Oh dear! That’s rather a scary thought, actually! <br /><br />And my agenda/motives for posting? Crumbs! I didn’t really think I <i>had</i> a particular motive, other than that I thought it might be interesting for people who’d been interested in Hangemall’s original post, because it was so similar but with a slightly different slant. And I guess, because it’s been a theory which has intrigued me for a while I thought that perhaps Hangmall, or Leg-Iron, or anyone else reading the post who might have considerably greater knowledge of these things than me, might be able to confirm or deny it. I’m really sorry if it worried you (or indeed anyone else), because it certainly wasn’t meant to. In fact, there was so little of a “hidden agenda” in posting it that even now I’m thinking about it I can’t imagine what one might be! I’m sure plenty of people <i>do</i> post on places like this with hidden agendas, but I guess I’m too much of a “bull in a china shop” merchant (too much so, sometimes!) to be very good at the “hidden” and subtle stuff.<br /><br />And yes, Hangemall, 1 in 25 does feel like a much more accurate figure than 25%, now you come to mention it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-62977925092364159202010-03-12T16:50:04.375+00:002010-03-12T16:50:04.375+00:00;);)hangemallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-13066586695473391822010-03-12T14:25:23.621+00:002010-03-12T14:25:23.621+00:00Thanks for the refinement, hangemall - although it...Thanks for the refinement, hangemall - although it's clear that you message is encrypted!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-506446202461890862010-03-12T12:48:32.311+00:002010-03-12T12:48:32.311+00:00I've done a bit more digging into my "rec...I've done a bit more digging into my "records" and memory and have come up with the following.<br /><br />A book by Andrew M. Lobczewski called political ponerology deals with this (pychopathic politicians) as its subject. A longish review of it can be found <a href="http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm" rel="nofollow">here (cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm)</a><br /><br />There is also a 2.5 minute video on Youtube which acts as a sort of intro to the book <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v7PJmKKsfM" rel="nofollow">here if the link works</a>, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v7PJmKKsfM otherwise.<br /><br />This might be what anon 23:57 is thinking of.<br /><br />Further thought (just going through the possibilities you understand,) brings to mind the possibility that all the talk about DNA and other testing might be looking towards the following.<br /><br />That any naughty rulers might not only be looking for elements in society that are undesirable (to them) but could also be looking for potential recruits. How about that, then? <br /><br />I believe that the potential for harm is much greater than than any potential benefits. Think of a society where selected "breeding", or "potential for introductions," accelerates the growth of humanoids/psychopaths at the top (and their willing helpers.)<br /><br />How many generations would it take before "a significant proportion" (I've no idea what it might be) of the population are involved in so much factional infighting/backstabbing or even (civil) war that country/world would be a scene of utter chaos.<br /><br />With sane heads being squeezed out of the higher poitions and being lower in proportion than they are today in the general population, would there be anyone who could stop the chaos? Strong dictators do not live forever.<br /><br />Anyway, this is just a scenario. Let us be tolerant and allow others their minor faults. (Still looking back to "Smoky drinky, non-anecdotal for the CAMRA linker." which started all this.)hangemallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-81384745266136713162010-03-12T11:12:47.383+00:002010-03-12T11:12:47.383+00:00Anon @ 23:57
Very interesting post.
But you los...Anon @ 23:57<br /><br />Very interesting post.<br /><br />But you lost me when you said "explaining how these people"<br /><br />I assume that you exclude yourself, and I ask why?<br /><br />What is your agenda? <br /><br />I worry about your motives in posting, as I'm sure many will.<br /><br />Explain, please?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-3006765663246032932010-03-12T10:57:01.447+00:002010-03-12T10:57:01.447+00:00banned, my thinking is similar to L-I's on thi...banned, my thinking is similar to L-I's on this.<br /><br />anon 23:57, my recollection of the figure of psychopaths in the population is four percent, which one in 25. This "feels" like a more reasonable proportion.<br /><br />Fausty, I'll try to put it a different way. Say your name is Saint Tone of Mammon and you are a young politician-the-make, and you have zero conscience. You want to make it to the top. You would have no qualms about smearing, spinning against, and generally back-stabbing those who stand in your way. Other factors being equal, those "candidates" for the jobs you want, and who would never use underhand tactics, would be at a severe disadvantage.<br /><br />"Honest" politicians would get filtered out earlier on in the race to the top, unless they had some outstanding "other" talent. <br /><br />Or should that be some outstanding other "talent."hangemallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-9550476223519870862010-03-12T09:48:22.216+00:002010-03-12T09:48:22.216+00:00So true.
Although I confess to a failure to under...So true.<br /><br />Although I confess to a failure to understand this:<br /><br /><i>I don't doubt that higher proportions of humanoids exists the higher in a hierarchy one goes, since they will have fewer scruples about getting there than a human being does</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-81494363935232934702010-03-12T02:23:27.318+00:002010-03-12T02:23:27.318+00:00Rab - someone tried that on me in a pub once. I di...Rab - someone tried that on me in a pub once. I did get the correct answer but worked out what it meant, so told them I had no idea.<br /><br />Make of <i>that</i> what you will.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-83537583767010448512010-03-12T02:21:48.383+00:002010-03-12T02:21:48.383+00:00humanity is just too smart for its own good
Unfor...<i>humanity is just too smart for its own good</i><br /><br />Unfortunately the smart ones aren't in charge.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-76677116922055714882010-03-12T02:21:07.965+00:002010-03-12T02:21:07.965+00:00banned - it wouldn't need many, or indeed any ...banned - it wouldn't need many, or indeed any of the actual staff of those organisations. There are plenty of wannabe Stasi around these days.<br /><br />Anon - it's a common mindset but I don't know how the genetics works. It's a spectrum too, some are extreme, some hardly noticeable without serious psychological testing and most somewhere in between<br /><br />Most people are, deep down, capable of killing. If they weren't we'd never have wars.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-78124350608561838252010-03-12T00:23:51.318+00:002010-03-12T00:23:51.318+00:00Talking of psychos, I was the only one at work to ...Talking of psychos, I was the only one at work to get the 'correct' answer to this...<br /><br />http://www.naute.com/puzzles/puzzle22.php<br /><br /><br />make of that what you will...RantinRabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557178651491442917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-27881112570071459082010-03-12T00:09:10.073+00:002010-03-12T00:09:10.073+00:00Technology is our enemy as well as our friend. An...Technology is our enemy as well as our friend. And the internet is the Establishment's best fried at the moment.<br /><br />Mass confusion is one part of the plan. Make the masses fight amongst themselves regarding UFOs, 9/11 and pixies in the garden, all the while, the Powers that Be work away at the grander plan.<br /><br />Oh well, humanity is just too smart for its own good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-22482910568821362782010-03-11T23:57:26.932+00:002010-03-11T23:57:26.932+00:00I read an article along these lines (the Humanoid ...I read an article along these lines (the Humanoid bit) a while back – by someone else, not Gunsberg, but making very similar points. In it the writer claimed that something like 25% of the human population each year are born without one important gene in their make-up, which is the gene that gives the rest of us our conscience and compassion and kindness – i.e. as psychopaths. This isn’t to say that 25% of the current population are axe-wielding mass murderers, but it <i>is</i> to say that 25% of the current population could, without so much as a second thought, <i>become</i> axe-wielding mass murders if it happened to suit their purposes. The reason why most of them currently <i>aren’t</i> axe-wielding mass murderers is simply that at the moment that course of action doesn’t suit their present purposes and because they know - but only in a matter-of-fact sort of way - that it would most likely be counter-productive in the long run because they’d eventually get caught and slung in jail. So they don’t bother with it. <br /><br />Apart from the genetic bit, which Gunsberg doesn’t mention (perhaps he doesn’t support that theory) the rest of it was almost identical in the sense of explaining how these people conceal their inner inhumanity and fight, back-stab and smear their way to top positions in society where they can control the rest of us, whom they regard as inferior plebs. Much easier, and safer, than becoming an axe-wielding mass murderer! So maybe there <i>is</i> a “scanning system” out there – genetic testing. Which might go a long way towards explaining why they are so keen to get <i>us</i> all on the DNA database, but throw up their hands in horror when there’s any suggestion that their own DNA should be included.<br /><br />Personally, I’d need a bit more verification from someone who knows a darned sight more about genetics than I do to be certain of this theory. Got any expertise in this area, Leg-Iron?? But certainly the article’s description of the way these people act made a whole lot of sense in a world in which sense is usually sadly lacking.<br /><br />Incidentally, in my Big Book of Words about abnormal psychology, there is in fact no actual definition of a “Psychopath,” but there <i>is</i> a definition – not as yet officially accepted by the mental health authorities – of a “Psychopathic Personality Disorder” which pretty much describes the characteristics of all the major world leaders (and their cohorts) to a tee.<br /><br />Interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-7328544276922212532010-03-11T23:28:13.285+00:002010-03-11T23:28:13.285+00:00Interesting but there must be an awful lot of CIA/...Interesting but there must be an awful lot of CIA/FBI/NORAD/MI5-6/FEMA/NSA Mr Jinks's out there to be following up all internet conspiracy theorists.bannedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02406037760273820029noreply@blogger.com