tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post8141290438965659158..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: We're all Urban Spacemen.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-54612450022304169152011-02-09T00:39:09.248+00:002011-02-09T00:39:09.248+00:00RB,
I have the same problem with the Freeman conc...RB,<br /><br />I have the same problem with the Freeman concept. It sounds great, and I don’t for one second think that the people who advocate it and have websites about it are wrong – quite the contrary – I’m sure that within the strict letter of the law (i.e. the real law of Common Law) they are dead right. The trouble is, when 99.9% of the population are totally unaware of the situation – including the police, local authorities and, probably, most politicians (although I think the judiciary are probably aware of it) - then you are more likely to end up in a mental institution for being a raving nutter than you are to have your rights upheld. Now, I don’t mind going out on a limb for a principle, but there are some limits …… Try explaining it to a few people you know - the look of total and utter lack of comprehension on their faces will tell you all you need to know. The vast majority of people simply can't countenance deception on that scale and are much more likely to come to the conclusion that you have taken complete leave of your senses!<br /><br />Unfortunately, a quick glance at some of the forums on the subject – often the best places for gleaning lots of information about anything – seem to be peppered with “Freeman zealots” whose one aim in life is to return to some kind of fairytale medieval lifestyle of living off the land, singing folk songs round roaring wood fires, surrounded by scores of rosy-cheeked children, and listening to the wise words of toothless “elders.” Yeah, right. That’s all very well until winter arrives, it's freezing cold, one of those rosy-cheeked children falls out of a tree and breaks its leg and your wife develops complications during a lovely natural(!) childbirth whereby forceps, an incubator and a blood transfusion are urgently required to save both mother and child. Any question – no matter how reasonable – is regarded as somehow subversive (one poster I read postulated the very pertinent question as to how the signing of the Lisbon Treaty, with all its legal implications, might impact on the whole Freeman movement, and was roundly condemned as a troublemaker and a troll without a single meaningful answer being given).<br /><br />As with so many of these things which are basically a really good idea, it seems the Freeman movement has been somewhat taken over by a lot of people who are “into” it for all the wrong reasons – because they want to “drop out,” because they want to waft around in kaftans looking spiritual and “being in touch with Mother Earth” or because they simply don’t want to pay their parking tickets! <br /><br />If I ever find a site which is written <i>by</i> realistic people <i>for</i> realistic people who are interested in all of this, I’ll let you know …….Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-65369886385510888102011-02-08T06:51:28.722+00:002011-02-08T06:51:28.722+00:00WRT Junican's point about land ownership, it s...WRT Junican's point about land ownership, it seems that there are pieces of land in England whose ownership is unregistered. There are steps that you can take to claim this land for yourself if you establish that 'there is no owner'.<br /><br />A former neighbour of mine did it, having noticed that land beside his property was unused. Having substantially increased his garden, he then extended his house from a two bedroomed cottage to a rather nice family home.<br /><br />JayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-86832939434978773252011-02-08T04:37:33.599+00:002011-02-08T04:37:33.599+00:00Im still not sure about this freeman approach. I ...Im still not sure about this freeman approach. I am yet to see some learned opinion about it and to date I think the reasons and opinions that I have read in its support are rather clumsy. <br /><br />What is clear is that the claim that the court recognised the "legal fiction" is a very stretched interpretation of what I read at the link to CR's post.<br /><br />What really happened is that the judge couldn't be bothered to deal with this in what he expected to be a simple matter in his busy list for the day - it would be seen by any judge as an annoyance at this stage, so he kicked the issue back to the council. When you have an actual judgment of the court in the terms that are being trumpeted, which has survived the inevitable appeals to the "Supreme" court and/or the EU, then you will have won. Until then you are just dancing with the establishment which will, if enough people go down this road, simply seek to reinforce its own "right" (by violence, natch) to tax you and fine you and cart you off to jail. Only if enough people try this (which is essentially civil disobedience - as "they" will see it) will anything positive come from it.rbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-63500958474359454882011-02-08T04:03:20.731+00:002011-02-08T04:03:20.731+00:00What I was talking about was that it appears that ...What I was talking about was that it appears that there are 'vast tracks' of land (and I mean 'the land' which is 'unaccounted for' at the land registry. The position of the Monarch is more theoretical than real. <br /><br />But my real point in mentioning that was simply to illustrate that there are lots of situations which are hidden (do not exist) which are so intractible, like the ownership of land, that it is not worth the while of the Gov to try to sort the matter out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-87388764433284737592011-02-08T02:59:45.424+00:002011-02-08T02:59:45.424+00:00Real DP - that's a cracker.
Anon - I suspect ...Real DP - that's a cracker.<br /><br />Anon - I suspect you own the house but not the land it's on.<br /><br />It's different in Scotland, all land is owned by someone but everyone has the 'right to roam'. So you can cross a field of crops provided you don't damage the crop.<br /><br />There's no law of trespass, only of damage, but the landowner decides what constitutes damage so it's not too clear.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-46825265111196798712011-02-08T02:12:16.634+00:002011-02-08T02:12:16.634+00:00"Do you know that it is not clear who owns la...<i>"Do you know that it is not clear who owns land? There are vast track of the land of the UK of which the ownership is unknown."</i><br /><br />I thought (may be wrong, though - someone else may know more), that the reigning Monarch basically owns ALL the land in the country, and indeed is the only person who is permitted to do so. Which is why, in legal parlance, you are regarded as a "freeholder" of the house which you think you've "bought," rather than the "owner," that is, you merely "freely" (i.e. indefinitely) "hold" the land from the Monarch in lieu of the money you've paid for the privilege. <br /><br />But, as I say, others on here may know more .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-77183498783022413842011-02-07T23:29:26.488+00:002011-02-07T23:29:26.488+00:00Dear Leg-iron
Perhaps we should create a new titl...Dear Leg-iron<br /><br />Perhaps we should create a new title: The Real Leg-iron. The Real Captain Ranty.<br /><br />What's not to like?<br /><br />Scare du Jour:<br /> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1354387/Wood-burning-stoves-cause-cancer-heart-disease.html<br /><br />Strange how they are <b>not</b> compared with smoking tobacco.<br /><br />The Real DPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-12729553232105448992011-02-07T15:29:54.310+00:002011-02-07T15:29:54.310+00:00Thanks for the link Leggy.
Just for clarification...Thanks for the link Leggy.<br /><br />Just for clarification (for Junican):<br /><br />It is Corporation Tax I am withholding. Council Tax is next. Then Income Tax. And all for the same reason.<br /><br />The legal fiction came into being so that we could act in commerce. The state cannot claim levies (fines & taxes) against the human being so a vehicle had to be created so that they could.<br /><br />Magna Carta 1215 Ch.39 is explicit: travellers on the kings highways and byways MUST not be charged for the privilege. Those acting in commerce (turnip sellers and the like getting their produce to market) could. And they were charged (tolls) for using the roads and the bridges etc. But if you were not engaged in commerce the use was free. For all time. Remember that MC1215 is NOT a statute. It was created prior to our first parliament in 1265 and MPs (as much as they would like to) cannot amend or delete that which they (or their predecessors) have not created.<br /><br />Because we haven't taught ourselves the lingo, when a copper stops us and asks "Are you the driver of this vehicle?" and "Who are your passengers?" we immediately tell him/her all the details.<br /><br />But if you politely explain that you are not driving, you are travelling, in a carriage or conveyance, not a car or vehicle, with guests, not passengers (this implies you are taking a fare), there isn't much under common law that he/she can do at that point.<br /><br />Giving them your name creates joinder, and saying that you "understand" immediately negates your rights. By "understanding" you just swapped your rights for their benefits, which is like swapping pure gold for plastic.<br /><br />It's all a game. Trouble is, we were never taught the rules.<br /><br />But we are catching on fast.<br /><br />CR.Captain Rantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07839241144954596066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-31440806750481619012011-02-07T14:12:40.993+00:002011-02-07T14:12:40.993+00:00Junican's statement "it would be quickly ...Junican's statement "it would be quickly stamped out" does beg the question, how?<br /><br />NewsboyCap suggests force of numbers. Maybe, yet what specific measures could they take?<br /><br />Another Act of parliament, a statute? If the Freeman concept works then this can not work. <br /><br />Imprisonment? They have tried this. It doesn't change anthing, indeed it may compound things as the imprisonment itself may be unlawful. In anycase if, as NewsboyCap suggests, enough people do it then the gaols will be full.<br /><br />So it is a good question Junican has posed. How would they 'stamp it out'?westcoast2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13832425628846431149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-82285931061256104282011-02-07T12:15:26.944+00:002011-02-07T12:15:26.944+00:00LegIron,
Junican,"Of course, one person can ...LegIron,<br /><br />Junican,"Of course, one person can 'get away with it', but I rather think that if many people tried to do the same thing, it would very quickly be stamped out".<br /><br />If many people did do the same thing,they,could not possibly stamp it out.<br /><br />What the good Captain and many others are doing is their 'DUTY' in Law,not trying to get away with anythingNewsboyCapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-63979267445909648882011-02-07T12:13:59.438+00:002011-02-07T12:13:59.438+00:00I wonder if Neil Innes knew about this when he wro...I wonder if Neil Innes knew about this when he wrote the song 40 odd years ago?<br /><br />I think I still have the single somewhere, I must listen to the lyrics again...microdavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01352078582764696261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-63374005767633887752011-02-07T11:40:43.252+00:002011-02-07T11:40:43.252+00:00It would be a joyous world where our taxes were sp...It would be a joyous world where our taxes were spent as dictated by us and not the muppets we have to presently endure since some decades ago.Oldrightiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192587284458430556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-48191489450009577622011-02-07T03:13:59.766+00:002011-02-07T03:13:59.766+00:00Councils will soon exist solely for the collection...<i>Councils will soon exist solely for the collection of council tax.</i><br /><br />Well, what else are these councillors supposed to live off? They're doing a vital job, collecting council tax. It's vital because without it they'd be starving. Who cares whether the bins get emptied or schoolkids get educated? There are priorities, you know.Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-44180214730630791592011-02-07T03:08:30.315+00:002011-02-07T03:08:30.315+00:00When I was about 17 yrs old, I used to go with my ...When I was about 17 yrs old, I used to go with my Dad to his Little club where he played cards with his mates. One of the guys who went to the club as a little old Irish chap. One day, when I was present, he was asked to sign some simple petition or something to do with the club. He refused. <br /><br />It turned out that the reason that he refused was that he was totally unknown to the authorities. He did not exist. He had very, very simple needs. He did not trouble doctors. His family looked after him. <br /><br />There are weird similar situations in this country. Do you know that it is not clear who owns land? There are vast track of the land of the UK of which the ownership is unknown. <br /><br />I read Ranty's stuff some time ago, and watched his videos. As I remember, he refused to pay Council Tax. He reckoned that he had no contract with the Council and that he did not need the Council's services. He also refused to accept that the Courts had any authority over him, on the grounds that he was a Freeman of England. He refused to stand in court, and thus refused to accept the court's authority. It seems that the act of standing is important. <br /><br />One must assume that Ranty's assets (house etc) are his own. One must also assume that he has a private income. I do not know how he handled income tax and such. <br /><br />As you say, it is a tricky area. I really do admire his determination. Not many of us would have the courage.<br /><br />Of course, one person can 'get away with it', but I rather think that if many people tried to do the same thing, it would very quickly be stamped out.<br /><br />What is important is that his stand is against tyranny, from whatever corner it may appear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-20560529585007148602011-02-07T02:52:02.364+00:002011-02-07T02:52:02.364+00:00Yes I suspect that when Labour take control in Sco...Yes I suspect that when Labour take control in Scotland and double council tax payments the 'legal fiction' will become more popular.<br />Why should taxpayers cover the cocaine payments for Mr Purcell and his 'comrades ' on the corrupt labour committees and councils ?<br />Snivelling little shits like Elmer fudd and his comrade Jim Devine and Jack O' Malawi should be told to get lost sharpish.<br />Troughing bastards.snorter Purcellnoreply@blogger.com