tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post7632843003550141250..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: More smoking lies and contradictions.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-30434663645002306792014-06-02T02:00:25.014+01:002014-06-02T02:00:25.014+01:00As a longtime smoker, I too, can smell the scent o...As a longtime smoker, I too, can smell the scent of flowers in the air, barbecued chicken on somebody's grill, the horse blood from the pharmaceutical company and traces of bullshit in the comments. When I have quit for periods of time in the past, my sense of smell did improve somewhat and I was overwhelmed by the constant barrage of the smell of exhaust fumes everywhere I went. jonasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-79448086194949515722010-06-17T21:24:45.568+01:002010-06-17T21:24:45.568+01:00What do you get if you cross a fairy with a bloodh...What do you get if you cross a fairy with a bloodhound?<br /><br />'For the likes of me who don't smoke, the world is a wonderful place full of all manner of smells; coffee drifting on the wind, cooking, perfumes, the delicate fragrance of bluebells in the spring, or honeysuckle drifting on the evening air. Tobacco smoke absolutely reeks; non-smokers can pick it up at over half a mile downwind, and it smells absolutely appalling.'B Manningnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-57985392313446191762010-04-23T14:23:29.598+01:002010-04-23T14:23:29.598+01:00I personally think that it's hilarious that &q...I personally think that it's hilarious that "Dr Dan" is so bad at biology that he had to get a job in computing.<br /><br />Then again, having read his post, it looks as if he paid someone else to take his exams. [Too busy taking the hate-mongering extra-curricular program with his hall monitor alma marter.]<br /><br />What a tosser!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-72993241293794648452010-04-23T00:59:14.502+01:002010-04-23T00:59:14.502+01:00In 1972 I moved to a flat in Old Trafford. I was 2...In 1972 I moved to a flat in Old Trafford. I was 21. I was not smoking at the time, (I had stopped when I was 20, although I started again when I was 24, not smoking made me ill).<br />Anyway, I registered with Dr Fine. On my first visit to his surgery, he had a cigarete burning in the ashtray on his desk! I thought he was a quack!<br />Jumping forward to 1977. I still lived in Old Trafford. I still went to Dr Fine. I had trouble with a throat infection following an accident. I went to see Dr Fine for the 3rd time with this annoying infection. <br />"What do you smoke" he asked<br />"Cigarettes" I replied<br />"I know" he said "but which brand"<br />"Embassy" I replied<br />Dr Fine then produced a packet of Gold Leaf and said<br />"Try these, a lot of people have trouble with Embassy"<br /><br />Don't times changetimbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-30997668854705690812010-04-22T23:27:05.295+01:002010-04-22T23:27:05.295+01:00"Promote the electronic ciggies for all you&#...<i>"Promote the electronic ciggies for all you're worth now; they don't stink you've a chance of getting them accepted."</i> <br /><br />Oh boy, Dr Dan. If only you knew how absolutely untrue that statement is. Maybe it’s because you have to be on the receiving end of any form of persecution to truly understand it, and clearly you’re not on the end of this one (but don’t worry – your time will come!) Anti-smoking campaigners are already making noises – and quite definite steps in the US – towards banning e-cigarettes, too. There are reasons for this but, again, it isn’t worth explaining them to you because you won’t be on the receiving end so they kind of won’t mean anything to you. But just give them a chance to come up with a few statistics (you know, those things your PHd colleague said shouldn’t be necessary if something was obvious enough?) and a claim or two that non-smokers’ delicate nostrils can detect some kind of (inevitably “disgusting”) smell from them, and folks like yourself will be agreeing like crazy and scrambling onto that bandwagon, too. I can hear the protests now: “Ugh! It’s as bad as before the smoking ban! I have to shower and wash all my clothes as soon as I get in after a night out because of all those appalling Vapers! Yuk!” I suspect that the only reason you don’t at the moment think that they “stink” is because you haven’t yet been told that they do.<br /><br />Oh, and just out of interest: <i>"I honestly wish your rant were true."</i> Why, pray tell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-72907064103448057182010-04-22T12:58:19.459+01:002010-04-22T12:58:19.459+01:00"The original photo in its original context i..."The original photo in its original context is out there somewhere."<br />Leggy, I'm not sure that I follow you. Are you saying that there is a different version of <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/weekinpictures/media/teeth_405.jpg" rel="nofollow">this picture</a> somewhere, or are you talking about some other pic?Fredrik Eichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-33487994810739056682010-04-22T07:41:03.754+01:002010-04-22T07:41:03.754+01:00By following the link, I now read that our "D...By following the link, I now read that our "Dr Dan" is a biologist working in computing.<br /><br />Obviously HIGHLY qualified to comment on smoking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-58979885877076181372010-04-22T01:34:04.714+01:002010-04-22T01:34:04.714+01:00Dr Dan,
"...mostly snuff it from circulatory...Dr Dan,<br /><br />"...mostly snuff it from circulatory system diseases and from assorted cancers."<br /><br />Errr....that's exactly what most non-smokers snuff it from. <br /><br />"...you will discover that the smokers as a population die younger than the non-smokers do..."<br /><br />How much younger? Is it those last few, decrepit years in a nursing home? Why do "your type" place zero value on the lifetime of joy and pleasure which the cigarette/cigar/pipe give to the smoker each and every day? What if I value that more than I value presenting a pristine corpse to the grave?<br /><br />When you say, "as a population", it means you are lumping all smokers together, because you can't explain why some aren't dying as per your requirement. You are also lumping all smokers together, regardless of what they smoke and how much they smoke. Ever heard the cliche, "the dose is the poison"? <br /><br />Someone smoking 100 cigarettes a day for 40 years is likely to do themselves in, unless they have the strongest constitution. What about those who smoke 20 a day and have a strong constitution? Is this disparity why you resort to the "population"?<br /><br />Why is it OK to recommend that people limit their alcohol intake, but not their tobacco intake? Of course, if you down 3 quarts of scotch a day, you're going to damage yourself. No thought of banning alcohol (yet) or recommending that everyone give up completely. Instead, you hear the "there's no safe level of tobacco consumption" crap. Nice advice, Doc. <br /><br />No, you think it's OK to banish over 20% of the adult population, because you don't like the way they smell. Well, I don't like what I see when I read your foul bigotry. Why should your sense of smell trump my sense of sight? Why shouldn't I demand that you stop infesting the internet with your vulgar missives, you hate-mongering xenophobe? Because, unlike you, I've experienced what your brand of hatred engenders. <br /><br />You should try it sometime. Why not where a skull-cap down the main street of Riyadh and see how you feel? Walk a mile in the shoes of another, brother!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-57586419699002036252010-04-21T14:56:14.041+01:002010-04-21T14:56:14.041+01:00Dr. Dan -
I honestly wish your rant were true, b...Dr. Dan - <br /><br /><i>I honestly wish your rant were true, but it isn't.</i><br /><br />You then go on to prove that it is. <br /><br />Yes, there are risks in smoking, but only to the smoker. The risk to others is non-existent and the risk to smokers is blown out of proportion.<br /><br />Doctors often misdiagnose lung cancer because they see it so rarely. It is a rare disease and while the incidence among smokers is higher, it's not that much higher. The increase could be explained even if there was absolutely no link between smoking and cancer.<br /><br />If you have something wrong with you, doing something that irritates the affected part will make it worse.<br /><br />So if you're unlucky enough to get a protocancer in your lung, inhaling any irritant (smoke from anything, traffic fumes etc) will make it worse and the incidence among those who inhale such things will be higher.<br /><br />That does not necessarily mean that the inhaled stuff caused the cancer. It means it made the condition worse. So if you get lung disease, you should stop smoking until it clears up because it's the same as picking at a scab. It won't heal unless you leave it alone.<br /><br />You state the smoking ban was entirely due to not liking the smell. That is the only true reason for it, the only one, and that was exactly my point. <br /><br />You seem to assume that smokers have no sense of smell. I can detect a bacon sandwich from streets away. I grow and use oregano, thyme, rosemary and other herbs because I like the smell when cooking and the dried stuff isn't the same. <br /><br />There's a lot here, probably worth another post, but the entirety of your argument is that you don't like the smell.<br /><br />Is that enough to ban smokers from everywhere? Even places you've never been and have no intention of ever visiting?<br /><br />How do you feel about the bans on perfumes and other scents in office spaces that are now starting up? <br /><br />How do you feel about companies refusing to employ smokers even though the are already banned from smoking on the premises?<br /><br />These bans have no ends and no boundaries. If they are not stopped entirely, they will continue to spread.<br /><br />And rest assured, one day they will reach you.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-74438558686862104602010-04-21T14:00:02.223+01:002010-04-21T14:00:02.223+01:00Well Doc the arguments you raise can be applied eq...Well Doc the arguments you raise can be applied equally to anything that holds an internal combustion engine yet no one is clamouring to ban those! You may argue that they are necessities, they are not, they are merely convienient, indeed one could argue that cars are also a major contributor to obesity another reason to ban those too.<br /><br />Do you consider the sudden interest in restricting alcohol as a good thing as well? That would not be happening were it not for the smoking ban, how far do want this to be taken? if you are going to legislate for one risk under the principle that it may cause harm then you have no choice but to legislate for every single risk and that includes the internal cumbustion engine!<br /><br />Remember this Doc, when you remove the civil liberties and free choice of one group you are removing the civil liberties and free choice for everyone, once the precedent is set nothing is safe and that is why this travesty of a law should be repealed. <br /><br />SoapyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-8614645939186668922010-04-21T12:53:47.859+01:002010-04-21T12:53:47.859+01:00"...not now everyone's gotten used to a n..."...not now everyone's gotten used to a night out not being an exercise in submission to vile aromas."<br /><br />But everyone hasn't. Thats why the pubs are closing at such an alarming rate. Because it turns out that the people who don't like the smell of cigarette smoke don't drink either.<br /><br />Instead, these days they stink of BO, stale food and that funky smell you get after spilling beer on the carpet after a few weeks.<br /><br />JohnWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-31974515925649708572010-04-21T10:57:00.642+01:002010-04-21T10:57:00.642+01:00I honestly wish your rant were true, but it isn...I honestly wish your rant were true, but it isn't. If you look at the life histories of smokers as opposed to non-smokers, you will discover that the smokers as a population die younger than the non-smokers do, and mostly snuff it from circulatory system diseases and from assorted cancers. The effect is marked, and as a colleague of mine from my PhD project years said: "If you're working on a biological system and a chemical has an effect, then that effect usually absolutely shouts at you. If you have to use statistics to find it, it ain't important".<br /><br />Smoking tobacco increases the chances of dying young, from an assortment of diseases. Inhaling tobacco smoke secondhand is pretty much harmless, if appallingly smelly. The reason you as a smoker don't think tobacco smoke is smelly is simple: your nose is bombed-out from the reek of first-hand tobacco smoke. For the likes of me who don't smoke, the world is a wonderful place full of all manner of smells; coffee drifting on the wind, cooking, perfumes, the delicate fragrance of bluebells in the spring, or honeysuckle drifting on the evening air. Tobacco smoke absolutely reeks; non-smokers can pick it up at over half a mile downwind, and it smells absolutely appalling.<br /><br />That's why you've been landed with a ban, quite frankly; evidence aside if you walk into a room with tobacco smoke in it, you end up reeking like a particularly malodourous kipper in minutes, and the smell stays with you, lurking unpleasantly for ages. The only solution is to wash all your clothes and yourself, which is a hassle and then some. You can whinge all you like about the manifest unfairness of the whole thing, and how your liberties are being trampled wholesale, but the fact remains that you and your habit are tolerable only to those who share the addiction; everyone else thinks you honk like a bonfire. <br /><br />Promote the electronic ciggies for all you're worth now; they don't stink and you've a chance of getting them accepted. You do not have a chance of getting smoking in pubs and clubs back, not now everyone's gotten used to a night out not being an exercise in submission to vile aromas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-25876713618975411022010-04-21T09:22:34.136+01:002010-04-21T09:22:34.136+01:00I wish antismokers were reading your porsts, L-I, ...I wish antismokers were reading your porsts, L-I, but I doubt that they are - it would make them feel too uncomfortable so, sadly, you're probably preaching to the converted.<br /><br />Wish your posts could get into the MSM!<br /><br />JayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-63195876344018123722010-04-21T09:15:02.484+01:002010-04-21T09:15:02.484+01:00Cracking post once again LI. Some of the points yo...Cracking post once again LI. Some of the points you make are listed by Eddie Douthwaite, Chairman of F2C Scotland on the wireless: http://freedom-2-choose.blogspot.com/2010/04/who-will-speak-up-for-me.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10072165710888952465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-62033797222850156882010-04-21T07:24:12.518+01:002010-04-21T07:24:12.518+01:00I heard a UKIP bod interviewed on R4 the other day...I heard a UKIP bod interviewed on R4 the other day. He was getting quizzed about their policy of relaxing the smoking ban.<br />"How many people will die because of your poicy?" asked the lefty BC chap<br /><br />"Er... None" replied Mr UKIP<br /><br />The question was asked a couple of times, but he stuck to his guns. Unfortunately the fake science wasn't followed up on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-56526975381036061052010-04-21T02:43:25.943+01:002010-04-21T02:43:25.943+01:00Sadly, even those who I once considered to be &quo...Sadly, even those who I once considered to be "allies" are actually foes: http://forum.junkscience.com/index.php?topic=894.0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-81384102583148760302010-04-20T23:58:57.488+01:002010-04-20T23:58:57.488+01:00PTB - he's happy with the smoking ban and is n...PTB - <i>he's</i> happy with the smoking ban and is not at all interested in what his constituents think. Even when he's asking them to vote for him.<br /><br />Says it all, doesn't it?Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-39096092986558894232010-04-20T23:36:55.426+01:002010-04-20T23:36:55.426+01:00I had the 'pleasure' on Saturday of asking...I had the 'pleasure' on Saturday of asking my wanting-to-be-re-elected MP (Lab) if he wanted to apologise for breaking the manifesto pledge on the smoking ban (since he recently apologised for Iraq, which I pointed out was cold comfort to all the dead people). Oh no, says he cheerfully, I'm all in favour of the smoking ban. And it hasn't damaged the pub trade. No, not one jot. I explained to him he was being sold a pup with all the pseudo-science. He...shrugged.<br /><br />Democracy, eh? If it actually changed anything, they wouldn't allow it.PT Barnumnoreply@blogger.com