tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post5735980962868962620..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: ASH take a step closer to the gas chambers.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-21082597804419179602011-07-12T02:34:44.059+01:002011-07-12T02:34:44.059+01:00It most certainly is about much more than smoking....It most certainly is about much more than smoking. I was being a bit facetious there. I should have italicized the next in <i>next</i> election, as in 2020. Go after the smoking issue in 2015 and it'll send a potent message on those other issues as well. <i>Our</i> bodies, our temples, <i>our</i> homes, our castles, <i>our</i> lives, our business.smokervoterhttp://smokervoter.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-74979819990724325552011-07-12T00:05:37.385+01:002011-07-12T00:05:37.385+01:00Smokervoter - if it was only about smoking, there ...Smokervoter - if it was only about smoking, there would be almost no chance of raising the rage of the average voter.<br /><br />However, encouraged by the ease with which they have been allowed to slap the smokers, they have turned tehir attention to drinkers, the overweight, anyone who eats 'disapproved' foods and more.<br /><br />Now they are trying to blame parents for the feral children that parents have not been allowed - by law - to do anything about.<br /><br />It's about much, much more than smoking now.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-65006408058075489172011-07-12T00:02:50.200+01:002011-07-12T00:02:50.200+01:00Jennifer - that's Stony Stratford. Dick Puddle...Jennifer - that's Stony Stratford. <a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Dick Puddlecote</a> is on the case.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-10442719259566852522011-07-11T22:40:25.204+01:002011-07-11T22:40:25.204+01:00Who wants to cast their precious vote over the rig...Who wants to cast their precious vote over the right to smoke a ciggie with your pint at the local pub? Look, your Average Bill and Kate will have 12 elections in their lifetime. Focus on War and Peace, the Economy or saving the three-finned blenny next time around I say.smokervoterhttp://smokervoter.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-19124337377760321412011-07-11T21:34:49.307+01:002011-07-11T21:34:49.307+01:00Leg-iron, just for the halibut, consider this. Let...Leg-iron, just for the halibut, consider this. Let's suppose four million smokers go UKIP and the other seven million stay home or vote for the Big Three. Now UKIP ends up with five million votes (a 440% increase) wouldn't that fact alone get a whole lot of attention? Add in some fatties, libertarians and salties and who knows? It's amazing what only one-third of smokers could accomplish. Not pie-in-the-sky, just one in three, that's all.smokervoterhttp://smokervoter.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-52737262906588837262011-07-11T20:40:30.182+01:002011-07-11T20:40:30.182+01:00"I took no interest in ASH until they threw m..."I took no interest in ASH until they threw me out of every pub in Scotland five years ago. I had no interest in politics before that either. "<br /><br />Me too, LI. Thousands of people radicalised by the now discredited ASH. Is that what they wantedGeorge Spellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06566990991084867385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-65980625353732848262011-07-11T19:28:54.251+01:002011-07-11T19:28:54.251+01:00You're shat on by all the layers of the cake, ...You're shat on by all the layers of the cake, EU, MP's, MSP's, coucillors.<br /><br />Just after the ban in Scotland some arsehole on the council jumed on the bandwagon and proposed a smoking ban in beer gardens, never heard much about again thank the Lord..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-58482092871944230122011-07-11T16:45:52.125+01:002011-07-11T16:45:52.125+01:00I hear as well a council is trying to implement la...I hear as well a council is trying to implement law where people are not allowed to smoke in any public places!Jenniferhttp://theconservativeblog.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-67281601237669767272011-07-11T13:28:18.295+01:002011-07-11T13:28:18.295+01:00"Why has Health and Safety not pronounced upo..."Why has Health and Safety not pronounced upon safe or unsafe levels of SHS?"<br /><br />errr, because they already published a document saying there was no proven risk?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-84063252516672877692011-07-11T10:20:32.053+01:002011-07-11T10:20:32.053+01:00ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE –
ESTIMATION OF ITS CO...ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE –<br />ESTIMATION OF ITS CONTRIBUTION TO RESPIRABLE SUSPENDED PARTICLES –<br />METHOD BASED ON SOLANESOL DETERMINATION<br /><br />"Many plants of the Solanaceae family, which includes the genus Nicotiana, of which the tobacco plant is a member, contain solanesol; particularly those that contain trace amounts of nicotine.<br />These include the tomato, eggplant, potato, and pepper.<br /><br />The potential interference due to these sources is negligible, cooking being the only likely potential source of interference. <br />An interference of this type would bias results high, overestimating the contribution of ETS to RSP."<br /><br />Coresta<br /><br /><br />Briefing on the evidence base and ASH Scotland conclusions regarding the definition of smoking materials in the current draft legislation <br /><br />"With secondhand smoke, the main concerns are exposure to levels of carbon monoxide and respirable particulate matter.<br />While air nicotine metabolised as cotinine provides a marker for measuring exposure to tobacco smoke, the nicotine is not present in such quantities as to present health concerns".<br /><br />ASH Scotland non-tobacco smoking materialsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-11494860794105037952011-07-11T09:35:21.869+01:002011-07-11T09:35:21.869+01:00Somebody from the previous government signed us up...Somebody from the previous government signed us up to this -<br /><br />That we -<br />"Recognize that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability, and that there is a time lag between exposure to smoking and the other uses of tobacco products and the onset of tobacco-related diseases." <br /><br />But it seems after the Ecclestone affair in 1997, people in F1 were still watching.<br /><br /><br />DECEMBER 16, 2004<br />Britain ratifies anti-tobacco treaty<br /><br />"The British Department of Health has issued a statement saying that the United Kingdom has become the latest country to ratify the World Health Organization's Framework Convention on Tobacco Control - the first global health treaty."<br /><br />"The announcement was hidden away in a statement about a reduction in the number of smokers in the UK."<br />Grand Prix<br /><br /><br />More than a million fewer smokers since 1998, UK<br />17 Dec 2004<br /><br />"On the same day as these statistics were published, the UK ratified the World Health Organisation Framework Convention on Tobacco Control." <br />Medical News Today<br /><br /><br />Anyone would think that they didn't want the British public to know.<br /><br />But then again, there was an election coming up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-38028270063868848522011-07-11T03:11:32.687+01:002011-07-11T03:11:32.687+01:00Junican - I took no interest in ASH until they thr...Junican - I took no interest in ASH until they threw me out of every pub in Scotland five years ago. I had no interest in politics before that either. <br /><br />And I was much less volatile, even with the Italian ancestry, in those days.<br /><br />My driving was always hair-raising though, or so I'm told.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-73569201647275359222011-07-11T02:44:24.473+01:002011-07-11T02:44:24.473+01:00all right boys - everybody outall right boys - everybody <i>out</i>wild bob kitemark ( the three 'r's union)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-10070071721997306322011-07-11T02:29:26.142+01:002011-07-11T02:29:26.142+01:0001:48
remove first comma in first line01:48<br /><br />remove first comma in first linethe grotty groping grammariannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-10058747255157844362011-07-11T01:48:27.855+01:002011-07-11T01:48:27.855+01:00although, i believe einstein to have been, in late...although, i believe einstein to have been, in later life, a lecturer at several universities, to my knowledge, he never, strictly speaking, <i>studied</i> at one - and therefore his non-attendance at such an establishment had no bearing on his ability to cook up the atom bomb theory, which he developed early on in his career.<br /><br />likewise, winston churchill's failure to become prime minister would also have been no great loss to humanity - as his most notable political achievement, having been an avid student of their incubation in cuba and south africa, was to export concentration camps from <i>nazi</i> germany to kenya.<br /><br />moreover, since, under the government of the brutish national party, non-aryan smokers would probably find themselves puffing their way up an extermination-camp chimney, i think you'll find your hypothesis to be damp to the point of causing a good deal more smoke than fire - although, to be fair to gas-chambers, it must be acknowledged that, without their assistance in sacrificing six million ordinary jewish folk to the god of racial-purity, the zionist leadership might never have gained the required emotional leverage afforded by collective racist european guilt to set up the state of israel. a repulsive truth, i suppose - but not, in my opinion, one which decently validates the adage that every cloud comes ready-fitted with a silver-lining.ozzie mozzburn - fuming fascist (anti-smoking league)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-15299198684237412462011-07-11T01:42:57.593+01:002011-07-11T01:42:57.593+01:00I am surprised that you were not aware of that, LI...I am surprised that you were not aware of that, LI. It must be a couple of years since I became aware of it. But, there again, we all live and learn.<br /><br />What amazed me when I became aware of it was that, apparently, NOT A SINGLE EMPLOYER understood the future connotations of the statement in the letter, but, at the time, I suppose that the understanding was that ASH were just another insignificant, unimportant pressure group. File the letter under 'pending'. <br /><br />If employers had taken the matter seriously at the time and contested the question of liability, maybe the smoking ban would never have got off the ground. Health and Safety would have been obliged to legislate upon tolerable levels of SHS. We have seen no such legislation - SHS is intolerable at any level. That must be a serious weakness in the SHS argument, surely? Why has Health and Safety not pronounced upon safe or unsafe levels of SHS?<br /><br />One independent minded MP could scupper the whole thing by tabling a parliamentary question asking the Dept of Health and Safety to pronounce upon the safe level of SHS in the workplace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-63957055813676517182011-07-11T00:49:04.632+01:002011-07-11T00:49:04.632+01:002004? Hm. First time I'd seen it.
So this is ...2004? Hm. First time I'd seen it.<br /><br />So this is more the reason behind the 'no smokers' adverts than an extension of it?<br /><br />It's still a filthy thing to do.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-31781406797436954582011-07-11T00:32:59.949+01:002011-07-11T00:32:59.949+01:00Timbone's right on this.Timbone's right on this.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05239651363530826401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-42130623857924836982011-07-11T00:21:59.729+01:002011-07-11T00:21:59.729+01:00That is dated 2004. This was one of the 'frigh...That is dated 2004. This was one of the 'frighteners' used to get the hospitality industry to eventually agree to a comprehemsive ban. This is 'done and dusted'.<br /><br />Sorry to be a devils advocate.timbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.com