tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post517873704914353414..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: The antismoking smokers.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-38382232978907242772010-09-03T02:09:39.766+01:002010-09-03T02:09:39.766+01:00Someone, on an electrosmoker blog post I've lo...Someone, on an electrosmoker blog post I've lost, commented with derisory glee that if you soak a cigarette in water overnight you get an insecticide you can spray on plants. It's poison, they cry, cigarettes are poison, stick with Electrofag.<br /><br />Yes, if you soak tobacco in water overnight you extract a water-soluble natural insecticide.<br /><br />It's called nicotine, you moron.<br /><br />And if you let a dog eat a big bar of Dairy Milk it'll be dead in the morning. All you'll get is loose bowels and zits.<br /><br />Some birds can eat wasps. Hedgehogs can eat slugs. So it's okay for you to eat those too? Have fun.<br /><br />There is a thing in biology called 'species'. There is a thing above that galled 'genus' and we are in a different one to dogs and hedgehogs. <br /><br />Above that there are 'kingdoms' <br /><br />We are not remotely related to insects. Flies eat rotting shit and love it. That would kill me. Nicotine kills insects.<br /><br />It has killed no human, ever.<br /><br />It is as dangerous as caffeine and there is no Red Fag equivalent of Red Bull you could overdose with.<br /><br />Unless you buy those patches 'for your health'.<br /><br />It does work as an insecticide. I smoke in my greenhouse every day and put the ends in the compost.<br /><br />No insect problems here.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-76443117275075608172010-09-03T01:59:45.212+01:002010-09-03T01:59:45.212+01:00John O'connell - it's certainly true in th...John O'connell - it's certainly true in this part of the country. I have had occasion to turn up at casualty in the distant past and I was the only sober one in there (I wasn't certain about the doctors, I was busy bleeding at the time).<br /><br />There were no tobacco overdoses in the queue as far as I could tell. <br /><br />Still, <a href="http://rantinrab.blogspot.com/2010/09/45p-unit.html" rel="nofollow">the drink price escalator has begun</a>.<br /><br />Soon, salt, fat, and breathing.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-88449171569427482142010-09-03T01:56:00.091+01:002010-09-03T01:56:00.091+01:00If Vaper's Forum call by, here's something...If Vaper's Forum call by, here's something to consider.<br /><br />It is true that nicotine is not niacin. Niacin (<b>Ni</b>cotinic <b>ac</b>id with the scientific sounding '-in' suffix) is formed by oxidation of nicotine.<br /><br />Either by enzymes in saliva or by, oh, let's see... heating it in the presence of air.<br /><br />You're worried about 'making false claims'. Very commendable, but your opponents are not. They claim you will give a bystander cancer on the basis of nicotine in steam when nicotine has never been shown to have any ill effects at all.<br /><br />Linking it to vitamin B3 is far less of a 'false claim' than third hand smoke. Far, far less.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-43802772153430290592010-09-03T01:49:24.277+01:002010-09-03T01:49:24.277+01:00Expat Brit living in Canada, eh? -
The comment t...Expat Brit living in Canada, eh? - <br /><br />The comment thing does that to me all the time. I've never worked out why.<br /><br />Timbone - Electrofag isn't for everyone, just as smoking isn't for everyone and even among smokers, some can't stand cigars or be bothered with rolling. It's all personal preference. If you talk to Electrosmokers you'll hear 'this brand is better than that brand' just as you do with smokers.<br /><br />Some smokers won't like it at all, some will switch entirely and some (like me) will use both.<br /><br />One man's fragrant smoke is another man's horrible stench. Thus it has always been and always will be. The only difference now is that we face a common enemy.<br /><br />Those who can't see that are doomed. There's no time left to persuade them, they can only be regarded as enemy too. Their choice. The side they chose will stab them in the back but we don't have the time left to persuade them.<br /><br />Oh, and the first puff with a new cartridge can be a hell of a blast if you're not expecting it. I change them when the taste goes, before the vapour runs out, and then take great care with the first few puffs.<br /><br />Yes, if there are antismokers reading, taste. Smoking is not what you pretend it to be.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-87809921223895104702010-09-03T01:04:52.387+01:002010-09-03T01:04:52.387+01:00PS - sometimes when I inhaled the vapour ir feckin...PS - sometimes when I inhaled the vapour ir feckin hurttimbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-30749638432990347012010-09-03T01:04:00.998+01:002010-09-03T01:04:00.998+01:00I tried the ecig. There were a few problems for me...I tried the ecig. There were a few problems for me. Too damn fiddly, it was like a mobile phone or a laptop, charging batteries, when do you need a new cartridge for the nicotine, not knowing where they were banned (certain airlines for example). I wouldn't take it out anyway, too much hassle. They look too much like cigarettes. As for getting juices far too bloody complcated.<br /><br />Now I like being creative, and enjoy rolling my own. I might smoke ready mades now and again, usually when I am abroad, only because I feel lazy. DOn't like them much, full of shite.<br /><br />To be honest, I don't take fags out with me much anymore, I get fed up trying to find somewhere to have a quick drag. As for flying, totally trapped. Gum and puffer does me in those situations. <br /><br />To recap. Tried the ecig. Great idea. Wish it worked for me. Too damn complicated.timbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985165416240833253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-23334415095243898812010-09-02T19:57:04.181+01:002010-09-02T19:57:04.181+01:00Great post LI, thanks.
I agree that we need to tr...Great post LI, thanks.<br /><br />I agree that we need to try to look after each other, it's the intolerant who are the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-61069618868789223902010-09-02T19:08:47.319+01:002010-09-02T19:08:47.319+01:00Re: smoking funding and tax: Well gee, we pay for ...Re: smoking funding and tax: Well gee, we pay for the entire NHS and then some, and the main burden on THAT is drunks. Alcohol has always been a far bigger curse than tobacco on our culture, and yet it's so socially acceptable.John O'Connellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10332206268005057841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-13321441949975775612010-09-02T18:28:27.892+01:002010-09-02T18:28:27.892+01:00Answer to salegamine:
here are two swiss shops:
h...Answer to salegamine:<br /><br />here are two swiss shops:<br />http://www.dunjis-shop.ch/<br />http://www.e-cigarette-shop.ch/<br /><br />for more information<br />french forum: http://www.forum-ecigarette.com/<br />german forum: http://www.e-rauchen-forum.de/<br />english forum: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/tsangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727196637630669158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-40153299972301453172010-09-02T16:12:58.055+01:002010-09-02T16:12:58.055+01:00Does anyone know how I can get one of those eFags ...Does anyone know how I can get one of those eFags in Switzerland?<br /><br />I'd really love one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-28300069517281639142010-09-02T13:40:44.418+01:002010-09-02T13:40:44.418+01:00Apologies for the multiple postings above. Each ti...Apologies for the multiple postings above. Each time I was informed that my posting attempt had failed when it clearly had not...<br /><br />The marvels of screwed up software never cease to amaze.....<br /><br />Expat Brit living in CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-91560611075757536242010-09-02T13:36:00.048+01:002010-09-02T13:36:00.048+01:00Over here in Canada the government dictated that a...Over here in Canada the government dictated that all readymade cigarettes had to be "Firesafe". This rule came in about 3 years ago and was implemented by manufacturers using thin circular burn-resistant rings embedded at intervals along the length of the cigarette. This regulatory move was probably designed to irritate both the tobacco industry and smokers more than anything else. Smokers now have to draw on the cigarette more frequently in order to avoid it going out, hardly a health related measure !<br /><br />As we already know, most antismoking regulations emanate from "Self-obsessed" California and then spread to places like Canada before reaching the UK some years later. Where I live, we already have the display bans and more recently the ban on smoking in cars with minors. It is also currently illegal to import Ecigs into Canada, although I have no problems purchasing ecigs online as there are many Canadian inhabitants with strong connections to China.<br /><br />Apparently my comment is too large, so I am splitting it into two parts at this point.<br /><br />Expat Brit living in CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-56190175720007441332010-09-02T13:33:41.298+01:002010-09-02T13:33:41.298+01:00Over here in Canada the government dictated that a...Over here in Canada the government dictated that all readymade cigarettes had to be "Firesafe". This rule came in about 3 years ago and was implemented by manufacturers using thin circular burn-resistant rings embedded at intervals along the length of the cigarette. This regulatory move was probably designed to irritate both the tobacco industry and smokers more than anything else. Smokers now have to draw on the cigarette more frequently in order to avoid it going out, hardly a health related measure !<br /><br />As we already know, most antismoking regulations emanate from "Self-obsessed" California and then spread to places like Canada before reaching the UK some years later. Where I live, we already have the display bans and more recently the ban on smoking in cars with minors. It is also currently illegal to import Ecigs into Canada, although I have no problems purchasing ecigs online as there are many Canadian inhabitants with strong connections to China.<br /><br />I just purchased a new ecig starter kit from this place<br /><br />http://www.greenhouseone.com/<br /><br />It is called the Joye eGo Starter Kit and is currently priced at $49.99 USD.<br /><br />This outfit ships anywhere worldwide and I took delivery of my order a couple of weeks ago. Lots of other vendors also sell these things.<br /><br />The reason I bring this up is that I am quite pleased with the improvements made in this product compared to my old DSE-901 ecig. Although the new "eGo" device doesn't change the taste experience (which is the main reason I will not give up smoking real cigarettes), it does have some big plus points.<br /><br />1. The battery life is phenomenal, easily lasting for several days of occasional vaping. For full time vapers this will probably translate into a whole day of continued moderate to heavy vaping. A battery charge takes less than half an hour with the eGo which is orders of magnitude faster than my older DSE-901.<br /><br />2. Vapour production is much better than on my older egig.<br /><br />3. Form factor of the eGo is much better than my older device. The eGo can be stood up on its end which is strangely very convenient and most appreciated by me.<br /><br />I'm not trying to advertise or push these things in any way. I just appreciate this great blog and why not let others know about what I think is a better ecig.<br /><br />Leggy... Thanks for continuing the fantastic blogging efforts. very much appreciated by yours truly.<br /><br />Expat Brit living in CanadaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-43966192325586447322010-09-02T12:22:51.294+01:002010-09-02T12:22:51.294+01:00Good blog LI. Having attempted to bridge the vape...Good blog LI. Having attempted to bridge the vaper/smoker gap for over two years now, it nice to see a piece on peace.<br /><br />I think the anti metality is more prevelent in the US than the UK. They have been subjected to out and out propaganda from the alaphabet soup gang for much longer.<br /><br />Still vapers are finding out the hard way that ASH et al are not thier freinds. <br /><br />The argument put to me was one of freedom. By chooosing to vape, I was doing so on the back of the freedom of smokers. It was anti-choice as 'they' wanted to coerce smokers onto medicinal nicotine. By vaping I was supporting that.<br /><br />My argument has always been about choice. I suggest the anti-smoking groups are the people to take on for both groups. These are the people denying choice. At first vapers did not appreciate this, though with the MHRA consultation result due and the NJoy/FDA case it is becoming more obvious. When NY included e-cigs in their indoor ban, vapers started to wake up.<br /><br />The other group not often mentioned is Snus users. This is banned in the EU. There is no SHS, so why the objections?<br /><br />Anyways if your into getting some new gear - TECC have a sale (50% off!), most recommended is the Tornado which takes 501 attys. (No association just a customer)<br /><br />Also for general info the UKVapers (UKVapers.com) forum is helpful.<br /><br />I certainly hope all pro-choice groups can move forward together to bring back choice and common sense.westcoast2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13832425628846431149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-4654730040235968932010-09-02T12:13:30.982+01:002010-09-02T12:13:30.982+01:00"Over at Ash – Action On Smoking and Health –..."Over at Ash – Action On Smoking and Health – Ogden's opposite number is Deborah Arnott.<br /><br />She was fond of the occasional cigarette until 2003, when she decided to leave a job in TV production and devote her working life to the anti-smoking struggle.<br /><br />"I smoked Silk Cut," she says, "which probably shows my age."<br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/03/smokers-ban-backlash<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-22836692915414697132010-09-02T11:32:40.771+01:002010-09-02T11:32:40.771+01:00Dear Mr Leg-iron
“Every time a smoker derides vap...Dear Mr Leg-iron<br /><br />“Every time a smoker derides vapers, the Dreadful Arnott hugs herself (well, nobody else will).”<br /><br />And if another aspect of smoking is banned perhaps she’ll wet herself (well, no one else will).<br /><br />You don’t think she does it for the money do you?<br /><br />http://www.ash.org.uk/about-ash/ash-publications/accounts<br /><br />Highest paid employee (who could that be?) for 2007/8/9 earned between £60k and £70k. Her (or his) employer’s pension contributions were £3,600, £3,600 and £4,141 respectively. If this was at the rate of 6%, the salary would be £60k for 07 & 08 and a little over £69k for 09.<br /><br />Be interesting to read this year’s accounts.<br /><br />DPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-12151573041264252632010-09-02T10:50:32.808+01:002010-09-02T10:50:32.808+01:00Simon Chapman on RIP cigarettes.
"It is ques...Simon Chapman on RIP cigarettes.<br /><br />"It is questionable whether technology and legislation are needed to solve the problem.<br /><br />As smokers know, cigars, pipe tobacco and hand-rolled cigarettes tend to go out on their own.<br /><br />That's because regular cigarettes contain burning agents to keep them lit.<br /><br />"The elimination of burning agents in cigarette paper would be a simple and effective means of dramatically reducing the ignition propensity of cigarettes," wrote Simon Chapman, a professor of public health at the University Sydney, in a 2004 Australian medical journal."<br />http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3540489,00.html<br /><br />But what those particular "burning agents" are I have no idea.<br /><br />RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-28416140063789577732010-09-02T07:55:20.798+01:002010-09-02T07:55:20.798+01:00Woo hoo! New on the market this week - fried beer!...Woo hoo! New on the market this week - fried beer! Invented by a Texan.PT Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-59409540431356947512010-09-02T07:52:21.084+01:002010-09-02T07:52:21.084+01:00Much has made in the last 24 hours about Blair'...Much has made in the last 24 hours about Blair's self-confessed alcohol dependency when he was our Messiah. To me, this can only represent yet one more way of sticking the boot into people who enjoy a tipple to take the edge off. And I can't drink so I ought to be screeching 'See? He ran the country through a haze of booze! Ban it now!' But I'm not. I'm just mildly envious of those who can.<br /><br />@ Angry Exile<br />The only occasion I have cause to feel a little pumped up with pride is when someone looks at the pre-rolled rollies in my tin and asks 'Do you use a machine?' No, never do :)PT Barnumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-7609405067276164542010-09-02T06:59:27.898+01:002010-09-02T06:59:27.898+01:00If you like to try many types of electrofags, the ...If you like to try many types of electrofags, the easiest way is to get a mod (a tube or box holding a big battery) with adapters for several types of atomizers.<br />And before trying all >100 e-liquids available, best is to have a look in a vapers forum to get a general idea about the differences.tsangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14727196637630669158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-79509365137526918952010-09-02T06:57:19.192+01:002010-09-02T06:57:19.192+01:00When I smoked I used to find Drum was a bit like G...When I smoked I used to find Drum was a bit like Guinness. Better if bought in Holland than the local Tesco. I don't know if it's true but someone told me that the old brand, Duma I think it was, was an inferior grade baccy, so I always tried to get an order for some Drum in with anyone going to Holland or Belgium rather than buy Duma in Britain. Possibly psychological but I felt I made better rollies with Drum too - beautiful creaseless cylinders, some of them.* Anyhow, the point is I wonder if they simply rebranded Duma as Drum and carried on as before, so Dutch Drum was good and English Drum was mediocre. Possible?<br /><br /><br />* Weird side point, this: after all this time as a non-smoker the only thing I still miss about smoking is the act of hand rolling a cigarette. If I was somewhere I couldn't smoke making cigarettes was as therapeutic as smoking them. Or maybe I'm just strange.Angry Exilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491082312193274360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-36688189429377444082010-09-02T06:51:25.680+01:002010-09-02T06:51:25.680+01:00Do they add saltpeter to keep them burning? Its a ...Do they add saltpeter to keep them burning? Its a distant memory.<br />I've got a Njoy and I'm impressed, although only indoors for some reason, they seem weaker outside.<br />With a pint its rollups, there is simply no other option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-76761896003857158512010-09-02T03:11:58.513+01:002010-09-02T03:11:58.513+01:00Readymades keep burning when you set them down Rol...Readymades keep burning when you set them down Rollups don't. Readymades also seem very dry. <br /><br />I think they add something to keep them burning when you're not smoking, just to waste them.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-3441472775324859812010-09-02T02:58:57.101+01:002010-09-02T02:58:57.101+01:00I don't mind the taste of readymades. My probl...I don't mind the taste of readymades. My problem with them is that they burn down so quickly. They're gone in less than 5 minutes.<br /><br />I sat by the river this afternoon for an hour with my pint, and smoked 5 rollups. And that was more or less chain-smoking too. So each rollup lasted 12 minutes. And I usually only smoke 4 roll-ups an hour, which is 15 minutes each.<br /><br />Every time I light up a readymade, I'm astonished how quickly they're gone.Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-83099332110686881492010-09-02T02:30:18.804+01:002010-09-02T02:30:18.804+01:00Yes. Just yes.
About an hour ago I posted a comm...Yes. Just yes. <br /><br />About an hour ago I posted a comment related to this on F2C. <br />(towards the end of what was really a rant about their being fucked by UKIP et al and not invited to a party..) <br /><br />http://www.freedom2choose.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4425&p=129095#p129095<br /><br />[crap at this interweb thingie please make your own link no can do too drunk]Lysistratanoreply@blogger.com