tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post5134441126092712167..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: What happens when you ban things.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-28089604186593779672009-12-14T16:49:23.290+00:002009-12-14T16:49:23.290+00:00Personally l just love the smoky-drinky gatherings...Personally l just love the smoky-drinky gatherings with it's non-UK supply of cigarettes .... and alcohol at a fraction of the normal price.<br /><br />And to be percetly honest l couldn't put a price on the satisfaction of sticking two fingers up at all the anti=smoking, anti-drinking cohorts.<br /><br />lt does indeed feel good to be a rebel!Spartanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845586501410364657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-15082056961826025672009-12-14T11:35:04.603+00:002009-12-14T11:35:04.603+00:00As many will know from experience, the extreme exa...As many will know from experience, the extreme example, and proof of your contention, is the ex-pat communities in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries.<br />The law, police and judiciary there are a thousand times scarier than ours but stills, breweries and 'Smoky-Drinky' places are widespread.<br />Alcohol-free beer, grape juices, sugar and baker's yeast are the basic essentials - easy and safe.<br />Commercial level stills are smaller in number but deliver sufficient product ('Cid' - nothing more than triple-distilled, fermented sugar water, that (in the right hands) can yield 96% pure alcohol with no nasties) to satisfy the community. Admittedlty there is the occasional explosion, but usually only the result of lack of close attention by distillers that have indulged in a little too much product sampling for quality control !<br />The potential result of being caught is a lengthy spell in gaol (no human rights or minimum standards here), eventual repatriation, lifetime ban on returning, loss of job & income ... and almost everybody still accepts the risks.<br />So .... your anaysis is spot on - an increase in brewing, winemaking, distillation, below-the-radar tobacco importation and establishment and attendance of 'Smoky-Drink' places is pretty well inevitable.<br />I'm looking forward to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-47742051317959412412009-12-13T22:29:13.921+00:002009-12-13T22:29:13.921+00:00What's not to like?
the stench, mate, the ste...What's not to like?<br /><br />the stench, mate, the stench.<br /><br />There can be no middle ground, can there?<br /><br />Voila, vive le ban (as I predicted).<br /><br />LI already ran a thread about 'You can't reason with (non?) smokers'. (Can't remember whether it was non-smokers or smokers).<br /><br />Apparently it's true, a shame, but true.Smee again, Goan fuckyerself (an old joke, but a good one)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-12804654961197787412009-12-13T22:27:14.911+00:002009-12-13T22:27:14.911+00:00Gendeau: You seem a very genial guy, and I respect...Gendeau: You seem a very genial guy, and I respect you for that, so please don't take this as personal. ;-)<br /><br /><em>"I do not believe that smoking is not bad for you and the guy standing next to you (me). 3rd hand smoking bad for you? - They must be fucking joking. Similarly for e-smoking."</em><br /><br />I'm curious as to why you quite rightly believe ASH claims towards 3rd Hand Smoke (joke) and E-cigs (even more laughable) are false, yet you are fully committed to believing their assertions on SHS (which are also, funnily enough, <a href="http://velvetgloveironfist.com/pdfs/passivesmokinglungcancer.pdf" rel="nofollow">laughable</a>).<br /><br />You know, and have seen first hand, that they lie without batting an eyelid, yet fail to even countenance the possibility that SHS could also be a fraud.<br /><br />Your standpoint would, however, be easily explained by what you say after that.<br /><br /><em>"I don't like reeking of smoke after visiting a pub, so the ban works for me"</em><br /><br />You wouldn't 'reek of smoke' if we were allowed just one place, local to us, where we could smoke inside. It's a fallacious argument. There is no science behind that, it's just mean and selfish. Just like the law which was undemocratically passed for us to be in this situation.<br /><br /><em>"The next step is someone to suggest that smoking be allowed and I should fuck off outside (cos I'm a cunt innit)."</em><br /><br />No, no, no. That is <strong>not</strong> the next step. The next logical step (according to ASH) is bans on smoking outside, bans on smoking in the home, and bans on E-cigs.<br /><br />There is no agenda from smokers or anti-ban advocates. Just that we are given a choice along with others. <br /><br />You really don't get it, do you? They don't want you inhaling <em>anything</em> if a pharmaceutical company hasn't provided it. And when your E-cig is ten times the price because you didn't kick back hard enough against these liars, what will you say then?<br /><br />Smokers just want somewhere to enjoy a legal product away from where people who don't like smelling of our smoke congregate. It really is that simple. <br /><br />That's the compromise. It's not fucking difficult (sorry for the language, LI). It was what the public voted for in 2005. It is common sense and is in keeping with a democracy which values a quarter of its adult population as much as it does the three-quarters.<br /><br />If you know that ASH lie incessantly, and you have shown that you do, why do you seriously believe that they weren't lying before?<br /><br />It's rather baffling to be honest.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-7550590070235922532009-12-13T21:32:34.054+00:002009-12-13T21:32:34.054+00:00Gendeau wants mutually-accepted middle ground.
OK...Gendeau wants mutually-accepted middle ground.<br /><br />OK, here it is. Leave it to the owners and tenants of premises, any premises, to decide whether or not to permit smoking.<br /><br />Some pubs will then prohibit smoking, some will permit it, others will confine smoking to designated areas.<br /><br />Smokers and non-smokers alike can then decide for themselves whether to patronise a given place.<br /><br />So, what's not to like? Is liberty so problematical?Jeff Woodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-16979031455027134532009-12-13T20:13:41.569+00:002009-12-13T20:13:41.569+00:00Nicotine in smoke is not harmful. At all.
If they...Nicotine in smoke is not harmful. At all.<br /><br />If they want to insist that the trace nicotine in the steam (yes, steam) from an Electrofag is enough to kill, here's what to do.<br /><br />Go to the doctor. Tell him you smoke. Let him write you a prescription for nicotine patches.<br /><br />Then go to the press and tell them your doctor has just prescribed nicotine at levels far in excess of the levels ASH claim will cause a heart attack. <br /><br />Then prosecute the doctor for attempted murder.<br /><br />ASH promote those patches too. Since they are so certain that trace levels of nicotine cause heart attacks, they are deliberately attempting to murder people also.<br /><br />It's not the nicotine. It never was. The problem was the tar content but Electrofag contains no tar at all. It's steam that comes out of it.<br /><br />Non-smokers have told me they can smell nothing after an initial whiff. There's no lingering tobacco odour (not surprising since there's no tobacco) and the added flavourings disperse very rapidly.<br /><br />Nobody can possibly be offended by this unless they are offended merely by the sight of someone enjoying a smoke.<br /><br />Which was the real reason it all started, if we're honest.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-25777454613350220902009-12-13T19:45:08.191+00:002009-12-13T19:45:08.191+00:00"Yet you still feel that no choice for LI and..."Yet you still feel that no choice for LI and the other 10 million or so smokers is the way forward?"<br /><br />D.P.<br /><br />It's not for me to say that it's (e-smoking) the way forward, or not. I wouldn't presume to tell you.<br /><br />That's for 'you lot' to decide for yourselves.<br /><br />I'm just hoping that it is, and from that, smokers and non-smokers can find a mutually acceptable middle-ground.Gendeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-86615367687231093402009-12-13T19:35:00.110+00:002009-12-13T19:35:00.110+00:00Dick Puddlecote,
I'm afraid we're on oppo...Dick Puddlecote,<br /><br />I'm afraid we're on opposite sides of the smoking debate. I'm a I-want-my-rights-non-smoker, I was just trying to say that e-smoking seems to (from what LI says) address my issues with smoking.<br /><br />I do not believe that smoking is not bad for you and the guy standing next to you (me). 3rd hand smoking bad for you? - They must be fucking joking. Similarly for e-smoking.<br /><br />I don't like reeking of smoke after visiting a pub, so the ban works for me (so no changes, except reduce regs on the shelters).<br /><br />E-smoking means the smell ceases to be a problem, the additional chemicals are reduced.<br /><br />When you're left with steam, some nicotine and a few other chemicals you've reduced the impact on me to the point where I would think a compromise was possible indoors.<br /><br />I realise that compromise is not a common word these days, I'm trying to point out that there are non-smokers who now think that enough is enough as well.<br /><br />The next step is someone to suggest that smoking be allowed and I should fuck off outside (cos I'm a cunt innit). According to the plan, I then reply with fuck you, I love the ban; you stay outside.<br /><br />Does it have to be like that?<br /><br />Peace brothers & sisters!<br /><br />p.s.<br />Glad things are working for Pete. I had wondered if there were health 'benefits', but was concerned that it'd sound like I was trolling.Gendeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-4140720616234920952009-12-13T19:18:51.546+00:002009-12-13T19:18:51.546+00:00I have been E-smoking for 12 months. I used to smo...I have been E-smoking for 12 months. I used to smoke cigars after giving up on cigarettes. I have been smoking for over 50 years and, as a result have Chronic Pulmonary Disorder (COPD).<br /><br />At my annual check-up this year I had improved in every test they gave me (initially they said that my medication could only slow down the COPD not cure it).<br /><br />I therefore believe that 'vaping' has actually reduced the disease.<br /><br />I smoke 3.6% e-juice and find it completely supplies my nicotine needs.<br /><br />WRT ASH's lying claim about secondary vaping, I am given to understand that the body instantly absorbs nicotine so they are talking complete bullshit. Anyway, how many e-smokers do you know? How can they possibly claim that anyone has ever died from nicotine poisoning after secondary vaping - there aren't enough of us to take a sample (yet...)Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523286791950565630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-36579627579097390512009-12-13T19:02:58.932+00:002009-12-13T19:02:58.932+00:00Dick, I realised after I'd posted that I'd...Dick, I realised after I'd posted that I'd seen about their lottery funded plans. This will give them a further excuse to pursue it unfortunately.<br /><br />Second hand nicotine causing heart attacks? I didn't think it was the nicotine in smoke that was particularly harmful to actual smokers. I thought it was the melange of chemicals put together. Otherwise patches and gum would be dropping people like flies.<br /><br />Then again, what am I thinking? Truth has never been part of their armoury. Never mind I'm sure the MSM will thoroughly investigate this..... Oh shit that's e-fags fucked as well thenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-56056229775142589732009-12-13T18:42:06.730+00:002009-12-13T18:42:06.730+00:00"No - I wouldn't change the existing ban,...<em>"No - I wouldn't change the existing ban, either way."</em><br /><br />Why? You know ASH are lying, they have been lying for over 30 years. Yet you still feel that no choice for LI and the other 10 million or so smokers is the way forward?<br /><br />Are you an e-cig seller by any chance?Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-1568965953976919822009-12-13T18:39:22.321+00:002009-12-13T18:39:22.321+00:00I'm sure there is already a law they can use t...I'm sure there is already a law they can use to ban and disperse meetings they don't approve of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-3274894368825954152009-12-13T14:42:22.954+00:002009-12-13T14:42:22.954+00:00Pretty easy to smuggle the juice, I'd have tho...Pretty easy to smuggle the juice, I'd have thought - a lot less bulky than cigarettes.<br /><br />I'd suspect that taxing the juice at the equivalent rate to cigs would make the bottles eye wateringly expensive.<br /><br />That, and the lack of people being used to being ripped off for the bottles, might cause a lot more people go to 'alternative sources'.<br /><br />I'm not sure whether the righteous are right in their estimation of the general intelligence of the public. They must really think that we're morons, given the blatant shite they're spinning over AGW at the moment.<br /><br />Having said that, not many people seem to be aware of the CRUdgate leakage. The MSM are acting appallingly badly at the moment.<br /><br />Praise be for Wattsupwiththat and Bishop Hill...Gendeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-65475217715408113662009-12-13T14:14:15.814+00:002009-12-13T14:14:15.814+00:00Gendeau 13:05
One also suspects the Big Pharmaceu...Gendeau 13:05<br /><br />One also suspects the Big Pharmaceuticals are sh*tting one or two bricks. <br /><br />The Righteous are simply idiotic enough to claim a salary today in exchange for destroying tomorrow (or so they think). Righteous are only ever working for "The Man". You're deemed a fascist if you point out whose aims they are furthering though.Corrugated Soundbitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17305817712647242394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-81013794773198729102009-12-13T13:05:41.092+00:002009-12-13T13:05:41.092+00:00Action on Smoking and Health Claims that "Sec...Action on Smoking and Health Claims that "Secondhand" Electronic Cigarette Vapor Causes Heart Attacks in Bystanders <br />Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) is claiming that the vapor exhaled by electronic cigarette users causes heart attacks in nonsmokers because of the nicotine exposure it creates among these bystanders.<br /><br />http://www.pr-inside.com/nj-poised-to-ban-e-cigarettes-in-r1626034.htm<br /><br />Do these people not know when to stop lying (and exagerating to this degree IS lying as far as I am concerned)?<br /><br /><br />Is there a medical term for the lying equivalent of tourette's? Politicianitis, perhaps or quangitis?<br /><br />The biggest issue that pisses me off with society today is the fucking LYING that goes on. The dishonesty of fighting your cause for the CHEELDREN etc. AGW might be terrible - any lie is okay, hide the data.<br /><br />I am NOT a fan of smoking, but it appears to me that these devices address the smell aspect of smoking. Or ar least reduce it to the level of side effect encountered by me drinking beer - gaswise. So, it looks like a compromise that maybe makes most people relaxed. No - I wouldn't change the existing ban, either way. But from LI describes, this isn't the same thing to be around - fair enough.<br /><br />Is that the problem? It's a viable compromise - therefore it challenges the quangocracy?<br /><br />Second-hand e-smoking? fuck it I'll take risk. (I also cross the road un-aided and go in cars and airyplanes).<br /><br />GendeauOf for fucks sake, here we go againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-32850315734410141382009-12-13T12:37:01.693+00:002009-12-13T12:37:01.693+00:00I wish I had a smoky-drinky place. But I don't...I wish I had a smoky-drinky place. But I don't.<br /><br />And what's a 'gimp'? G-something In My Parlour?Frank Davishttp://frank-davis.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-61491835790208874162009-12-13T11:05:18.606+00:002009-12-13T11:05:18.606+00:00Private meetings of small groups of specially sele...Private meetings of small groups of specially selected, independant minded people - I smell potential TERRORISTS.<br /><br />Certainly the type of people that shoud be monitored, more than normal, I mean.<br /><br />Or, just<br /><br />Execute them all to ensure the docility of the CHEEELDRENGendeaunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-71537232433482014852009-12-13T10:56:06.319+00:002009-12-13T10:56:06.319+00:00mister_choos, plans for the private home smoking b...mister_choos, plans for the private home smoking ban are already underway. With <a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2009/12/home-smoking-bans-just-got-step-closer.html" rel="nofollow">lottery backing</a> too.<br /><br />LI: I've got a smoky-drinky place which sounds very similar to yours. I shall be availing myself of it extensively this Christmas. Including a gathering of all regulars on the 25th. :-)Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-77380217752964145502009-12-13T09:12:10.561+00:002009-12-13T09:12:10.561+00:00I find it highly amusing that many of these smoke-...I find it highly amusing that many of these smoke-easies will be in people's houses that have children. Instead of just mum and/or dad smoking in the house, they will now have a whole heap of people smoking around them.<br /><br />They will of course use that as an excuse to ban smoking in homes. All homes, not just those with kids. They will ban it in every home just to stop any confusion amongst the proles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-68156774127545413682009-12-13T00:50:55.422+00:002009-12-13T00:50:55.422+00:00I suggest the premises be known as "smoke-eas...I suggest the premises be known as "smoke-easies".TheFatBigothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17255526385076528633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-9883720945448829342009-12-13T00:50:25.038+00:002009-12-13T00:50:25.038+00:00I'd prefer the own-brand stuff if it meant I c...I'd prefer the own-brand stuff if it meant I could have a mid-interval smoke. Although at present, I'm suffering a weird leaning towards Jack Daniels. <br /><br />Very refreshing to see a non-defeatist (not sure if that's the term I'm looking for, although in this day and age it probably is) article on such things. I can see why people feel so downtrodden by the Righteous, but we can take refuge in the fact there are some areas in which they simply can't get us all at once. <i>Our</i> areas. And back to basics. It's why I can't be arsed with Facebook.Corrugated Soundbitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17305817712647242394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-3535946931180245532009-12-13T00:31:26.036+00:002009-12-13T00:31:26.036+00:00Yes indeed. There'll always be a few devious o...Yes indeed. There'll always be a few devious ones who'll find a way around the rules.<br /><br />Such thinking can be contagious.Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-131666564266835112009-12-13T00:13:15.930+00:002009-12-13T00:13:15.930+00:00re 'take a look at this'.
Perhaps there is...re 'take a look at this'.<br />Perhaps there is hope. The brainwashing from the cradle doesn't take on everyone.View from the Solenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930587784230398787noreply@blogger.com