tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post2502040476185719788..comments2024-02-06T07:57:54.467+00:00Comments on underdogs bite upwards: An addict rambles.Leg-ironhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-34679346733970602292010-12-31T17:58:41.430+00:002010-12-31T17:58:41.430+00:00This is a very interesting text. As a scientist d...This is a very interesting text. As a scientist devoted to tobacco dependence, I would be pleased if leg-Iron could give me authorization to put a french translation of it on my site www.tabac-humain.com.<br />r.molimard@tabacologie.frRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397761553154280622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-55258277722516719492010-12-29T22:26:11.631+00:002010-12-29T22:26:11.631+00:00I wonder if you have had a read through this artic...I wonder if you have had a read through this article on smoking lies - clearly not just a British problem.<br /><br />http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/12/finalists-for-2010-lie-of-year-award.htmlScienceGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-89075386934387477532010-12-29T14:08:49.000+00:002010-12-29T14:08:49.000+00:00I gave up for a couple of years. I was smoking 20...I gave up for a couple of years. I was smoking 20-24/day. That was too much for me.<br /><br />However, after a year or so I realized that I just didn't like being an "ex-smoker". There were too many connotations about it, let alone the other smug ex-smokers and never-smokers, who'd feel free to pass snide comments about the continuing smokers (who included some of my best friends and relations).<br /><br />So, I decided to take it back up again at a level which I was comfortable with: 6-8 cigarettes per day.<br /><br />You know what? I have no problem sticking with this. It's my new level. I'm comfortable with it. I reckon that I'd have to live to be 150, before it would intefere with my longevity, so all of you hall monitors can go fuck yourselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-90301824680323509402010-12-28T20:26:27.156+00:002010-12-28T20:26:27.156+00:00I am visualising the sort of patch* you would get ...I am visualising the sort of patch* you would get to stop strangling puppies - a mental image which will not soon leave me. Thank you.<br /><br />*About three inches across and furryRobert the Bikernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-47296794323249558522010-12-28T11:10:37.473+00:002010-12-28T11:10:37.473+00:00Something else I've noticed is the the most ve...Something else I've noticed is the the most vehement antis are often ex-HEAVY smokers: Paul "I was once a chain-smoker" Flynn and that Health git from Wales who reckons he once smoked 100 a day always spring to mind here.<br /><br />They must really, really enjoy smoking to gorge themselves on those stupid amounts of nicotine. Then they get sick - which is hardly surprising - and force themselves to give up, then spend what's left of their miserable, embittered lives lectering the rest of us - the ones who have some control over our habits and consequently don't get sick - on the 'dangers' of smoking.<br /><br />All that moaning about the 'stink' of fag smoke. I bet they find the aroma of a freshly lit cig absolutely gorgeous - and that's why they want it banned everywhere and sod everyone else. They're weak people, afraid of their own appetites and jealous of those who aren't.<br /><br />Season's Greetings, Leg-iron. Thanks for all the excellent blogging - this is one of the best.<br /><br />KarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-55953235916584506442010-12-28T05:37:13.347+00:002010-12-28T05:37:13.347+00:00[Interesting that the captcha for this comment was...[Interesting that the captcha for this comment was "proban"!:-)]<br /><br />I was sad when forces.org moved to their new portal, but am glad that they kept the old site live:<br /><br />http://www.forces.org/index2.htm<br /><br />And from the evidence archive there:<br /><br />http://www.forces.org/evidence/index.htm<br /><br />Most relevant:-!!<br /><br />http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/addictiv.htm<br />_<br /><br />Especially therein, in my humble opinion: ( =!}) <br /><br />Failing of the Disease Model of Addiction <br />http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/gori2.htm<br />-<br /><i>"Especially during the last four decades, 'addiction' in this extreme pejorative meaning has been portrayed alternatively as a disease or a sin, and has been subject to social and moral sanctions. In an open society of free individuals such a coercion cannot be justified unless the condition is defined precisely by the simultaneous attributes of severe psychotoxicity, severe withdrawal symptoms, and recurrence tied to the loss of self-control and individual volition. Still, these attributes are open-ended, and an explicit metric of severity at which they may trigger social objection has not been clarified. As a consequence, 'addiction' allegations are left to elicit emotional, subjective, and value-laden responses ready to be exploited. A clamorous example is the claim by US officials that cigarette smoking is equal to the abuse of heroin or cocaine. An unequivocal definition of 'addiction' may restore some sense of proportion to official normative intervention."</i><br /> Analysis by Dr. Gio Batta Gori<br /><br />-<br />Just a bump, a reminder, & etc!<br />-<br /><br />Ross Matheson<br />;=})Ross Mathesonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-36081489819473090782010-12-28T01:10:20.030+00:002010-12-28T01:10:20.030+00:00smokers pride - I like that.
I'll start makin...smokers pride - I like that.<br /><br />I'll start making the banners tomorrow.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-18938689925061903702010-12-28T00:21:30.297+00:002010-12-28T00:21:30.297+00:00LI, this post deliciously sums up the situation. I...LI, this post deliciously sums up the situation. I stopped smoking many years ago on December 22nd of all times. Why? I have no idea. I just did. It certainly surprised the people who hung tobacco treats on the Xmas trees for me. I had to apologise for my maverick action. If the discrimination against my friends and relatives doesn't stop soon, I may well start again just to join the "smokers pride" march. Seemed to work for 2 percent of the population, why not 20 plus percent? I won't be apologising.wassnamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15087307546819706589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-89682413348185774412010-12-27T23:42:52.474+00:002010-12-27T23:42:52.474+00:00That's a little bit of genius right there, LI....That's a little bit of genius right there, LI.<br /><br />And precisely why anti-smokers are entirely the wrong kind of people to be in charge of getting smokers to quit.<br /><br />I'd exhort MPs to read it, but they aren't even capable of basic comprehension most of the time, let alone something important like this.Dick Puddlecotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481866882188932892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-68222882804652644492010-12-27T19:04:15.479+00:002010-12-27T19:04:15.479+00:00LI,
A quotation from Orwell
"There's no ...LI,<br />A quotation from Orwell<br /><br />"There's no prude like a reformed whore."<br /><br />Sums it up succinctly.View from the Solenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00930587784230398787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-49775971980325874822010-12-27T18:58:56.374+00:002010-12-27T18:58:56.374+00:00ON NO ACCOUNT USE CHAMPIXON NO ACCOUNT USE CHAMPIXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-88908658129007201352010-12-27T18:56:50.767+00:002010-12-27T18:56:50.767+00:00Damn good post, Leg Iron.
It was not being able ...Damn good post, Leg Iron. <br /><br />It was not being able to smoke in airports and on planes that made me realise that smoking is not an addiction. Once I enter the airport, cigarettes leave my mind (funnily enough, so does the thought of drinking in their bars). The same on the plane. At first, I thought that having alcohol would awaken the 'craving' for a fag, but it didn't. When we arrive, I am not troubled until I leave the airport, at which point I light up - BECAUSE I WANT TO! <br /><br />On the same topic, a year or so ago, I would drink a lot of coffee (as well as tea). For no apparent reason (or perhaps because we had just returned from a holiday in Majorca where we were drinking 'proper' coffee), I just went off nescafe and I have not had more that a couple of cups of coffee at home since. <br /><br />Very strange how the mind works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-6140932586917793152010-12-27T17:48:57.734+00:002010-12-27T17:48:57.734+00:00I'm starting to wonder about something.
It se...I'm starting to wonder about something.<br /><br />It seems to me that those who gave up because they didn't like it any more (such as Bill S and Cingram above) are generally tolerant of smokers. The thought seems to be 'You carry on if you like, I'm not interested in it any more'.<br /><br />I wonder if those born-again antismokers who shriek 'I smoked for twenty years, I stopped, so now you have to' come from the ranks of those who were pressured into quitting. They act as though they have been deprived of something and now want everyone else deprived of it too.<br /><br />Those who one day say 'Nah, it's not fun any more' and stop, have no such feeling of loss and therefore no need to get angry about it.<br /><br />I used to like vodka but one day decided I didn't like it any more. I never touch it now. I have no axe to grind with vodka drinkers, it's just not a drink I choose. Have all the vodka you like, I don't want any.<br /><br />Suppose that while I was still enjoying vodka, I had been told I couldn't have it ever again? Wouldn't I now be insanely jealous of those who were still allowed to have it?<br /><br />There's a study there for someone who can be bothered. Is there a link between someone's reason for stopping smoking and their subsequent attitude to smokers?Leg-ironhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04932361799889315359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-90726311704041043172010-12-27T17:27:58.528+00:002010-12-27T17:27:58.528+00:00I gave up about six years ago because I was sick o...I gave up about six years ago because I was sick of feeling terrible in the morning. I wouldn't say it was easy, but I did it and never wanted to go back.<br /><br />I think I might take up puppy-strangling, though. Just as a hobby you understand. Releases tension, gives you a purpose in life and horrifies the sort of people you like to annoy. I can already imagine dedicated blogs and forums discussing the varying texture of the hyoid among breeds and the way the nap of the fur at the neckline affects the purchase of the fingers.The Hickory Windhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02099970252405596982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2170981338945747646.post-31063013278352078092010-12-27T17:13:53.729+00:002010-12-27T17:13:53.729+00:00Over 20 years ago I stopped smoking without nicoti...Over 20 years ago I stopped smoking without nicotine patches or gum. The transition wasn't that bad, and one of the side benefits has been a highly nuanced sense of smell.<br /><br />Now I don't mind smokers, think the second hand smoke is a lot of hype and hysteria from a bunch of holier than thou health wussies, and didn't stop smoking because of their exhortations.<br /><br />I gave up because I'd stopped enjoying it. Funny that.<br /><br />Happy new year Leggy. Don't let the bastards etcetera.Bill Stickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05285528897339442436noreply@blogger.com